Guthrie Genealogy

GENETIC GENEALOGY of GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 2A

BRANCH G: Samuel Guthrie & Nancy Jane Grieve of PA/IA/MO/NE

Samuel Guthrie

Birth: 21 August 1832

Birth Location: Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania

Parents: James Guthrie & Mary Miller *

Marriage 1: Lillie on 8 Mary 1859 in Cedar Co., Iowa

Marriage 2: Grieve on 30 Sep 1868 in Cedar Co., Iowa

Death: 2 January 1916 

Death Location: Mason City, Custer, Nebraska

Burial: Lone Elm Cemetery, Loup City, Sherman, NE

Nancy Jane Lillie                

Birth: 22 February 1840

Birth Location: Edwards, St. Lawrence, New York

Parents: William Lillie & Hannah M. Elliott

Guthrie Children: 3 daughters, 1 son

 

Death: 14 January 1868

Death Location: Mechanicsville, Cedar, Iowa

Burial: Unknown

Nancy Jane Grieve                  

Birth: 10 July 1848

Birth Location: Fine, St. Lawrence, New York

Parents: Thomas Grieve & Martha Matilda Finley

Guthrie Children:

 

Death: 20 May 1929

Death Location:

Burial: Lone Elm Cemetery, Loup City, Sherman, NE

The DNA Project:

Guthrie Family Group: MD/PA Group

Genetic Matches: 1

Project Participants: Ron Guthrie

*Disclaimer: Ron's family has long claimed a direct ancestry leading back to John Guthrie & Jane Reed of Ireland and Pennsylvania. However, many of the online trees you will find for his ancestor Samuel Smith Guthrie, or siblings like Elizabeth and Mary (Guthrie) Owens, sequential wives of Joshua Owens, show that their father was an unknown man named John Guthrie. The source of this information is the guesswork of 'American Guthrie and Allied Families' author, Laurence R. Guthrie. He writes on p.185 of his book that 'the connection has not been clearly established', yet people have taken that parental relationship to be fact without substantiating evidence. There very is little online documentation for this line, requiring that we dig deeper into the original records of Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania to confirm that Samuel's parents were James & Mary (Miller) Guthrie, grandparents John 'Jack' & Mary (Erwin) Guthrie, and great-grandparents John & Jane (Reed) Guthrie. I believe that LRG's misconceptions occurred because the name John is so prevalent in this line. There are several Westmoreland Guthrie family branches. LRG connected this family, via a son John, to parents Samuel & Jane (Wilson) Guthrie. The problem is that line is also of MD/PA Group descent (Branch B). While I believe that Ron's line is accurate, I also believe we have to back it up with a little more hard evidence since the DNA is basically a MD/PA Group match on both sides of the hypothesis. More later when I find it. --AG. 

The Highlights:

1832: BIRTH of SAMUEL SMITH GUTHRIE

Samuel Smith Guthrie apparently sometimes went by his middle name, Smith. He was born in or near Pittsburgh on 21 August 1832 to James Guthrie & Mary Miller. He is the direct ancestor of DNA Project participant Ron Guthrie. The lineage between SSG and RG is undisputed and well documented by census & family records. Samuel Smith Guthrie was the youngest child of the family. 

1840: DEATH of FATHER, JAMES GUTHRIE, RESIDENCE UNKNOWN

According to the Guthrie family history, Samuel Smith Guthrie's father died about 1840. Causes unknown. He would only have been 46 years old at the time. Samuel's mother, Mary Miller Guthrie lived until 1844. Their location, along with other siblings, is unknown during 1840. My guess is that they were living with some relatives at the time.  

1840: BIRTH of NANCY JANE LILLIE

Samuel's future first wife, Nancy Jane Lillie, was born in Edwards, St. Lawrence, New York on 22 Feb 1840 to William & Hannah M. (Elliott) Lillie. Both of her parents, according to census records, were also born in NY. Nancy J. Lilley was enumerated in Edwards with her parents and siblings in the 1850 census.

There appears to be a lot of confusion about the number and names of Samuel's wives. Somehow he managed to meet and marry two women named Nancy Jane who were both born in the same county of New York state. A close look at the records easily distinguishes them.

1844: DEATH of MOTHER, MARY MILLER GUTHRIE 

Samuel's mother, Mary Miller Guthrie died on 7 Feb 1844. Her burial location is unknown. The youngest child of the Guthrie household, Samuel was only 11 or 12 at his mother's death.

1848: BIRTH of NANCY JANE GRIEVE

Samuel's future second wife, Nancy Jane Grieve, was born in Fine, St. Lawrence, New York on 10 Jul 1848 to Thomas Grieve & Martha Matilda Finley. Her father was born in Scotland about 1819, and mother Martha in New York state about 1830. Her family had emigrated from NY to IA by 1860 where they were listed in the Linn, Cedar, Iowa census. 

1850: CENSUS of MIFFLIN, ALLEGHENY, PENNSYLVANIA, USA

William Guthry Household: William Guthry 21 PA, no occupation listed; Smith Guthry 14 PA; Harrison Guthry 14 PA; Mary Guthry 29 PA. 

There are 4 reasons I believe this is the correct census record for Samuel Smith Guthrie. 1) By 1850 he was orphaned and was likely living with relatives. 2) The 1860 census reflects that he used the name Smith. 3) The location is the same for other family members. 4) With the exception of Harrison Guthrie, the census listing for William and Mary also fit into the profile as siblings of Samuel and fit into their own census / residency history.

1850: CENSUS of EDWARDS, SAINT LAWRENCE, NEW YORK, USA

William Lilley Household: William Lilley 34 NY farmer, Hannah Lilley 38 NY, Joel M Lilley 11, Nancy J Lilley 9, George E Lilley 6, Lamira L Lilley 3, Charles Lilley 1. This family is listed next to that of Silas Lilley 60, Sophia Lilley 54, Hannah E Lilley 9.

1850 CENSUS of FINE, SAINT LAWRENCE, NEW YORK, USA

Thomas Grieve Household: Thomas Greive 31 farmer Scotland, Martha Greive 20 NY, George W Greive 5 NY, Mary L Greive 3 NY, Nancy Greive 2 NY. 

1852: EMIGRATED FROM PENNSYLVANIA to IOWA

"Samuel settled in Iowa in 1852." [Guthrie Family History] 

1859: MARRIAGE of SAMUEL SMITH GUTHRIE and NANCY JANE LILLIE

The Guthrie-Lillie marriage took place on 8 March 1859 in Mechanicsville, Cedar, Iowa 

1859: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, MARY JANE GUTHRIE

Mary Jane was the eldest of Samuel & Nancy's daughters. Some online trees list her mother's name as Mary Jane, too, but that has been disproved by the census data. Mary Jane was born on 20 Dec 1859 in Mechanicsville, Cedar, Iowa. Her mother died when she was about 10 years of age, and in the 1870 census we find that she is living with the Schug family of Pioneer, Cedar, Iowa, and in 1880 with her uncle, Joel Lillie's family. She married Clarence Matthew Coe on 23 Aug 1880. They raised a large family. Clarence died in 1933. Mary Jane died at 86 years of age on 15 Dec 1946 in Omaha, Douglas, Nebraska. According to a Find-a-Grave contributor, they are both buried in Hickory Point Cemetery, Green Ridge, Pettis County, Missouri. Photos requested.

1860: CENSUS of PIONEER, CEDAR, IOWA, USA

This census listing is quite confusing, but it obviously consists of the right family. In 1860, we would expect to find Samuel Smith Guthrie PA, his wife Nancy Jane NY, and their daughter Mary Jane IA living together in the Mechanicsville area, which is designated in census records as Pioneer, Cedar, Iowa. Instead, we find a listing for the household of "Smith Anthony". We have seen Samuel's name listed as Smith in the 1850 census, so this is no surprise. Why Anthony? Was this an alias? Had his mother Mary married an Anthony after her husband's death? Had he been 'adopted' by an Anthony family and used that name for a short time afterward before reverting to his own birth name of Guthrie? An original census transcription error? We may never know. A look in the records for the Anthony surname might be revealing.

Smith Anthony Household: Smith Anthony 23 farmer 400 PA; Nancy J Anthony 19 NY; Mary J Anthony 5/12 IA; Eliza E Lilly 6 NY; Elmy E Lilly 4 NY; Joel N Lilly 21 farm laborer NY; Charles L Lilly 9 NY. 

Notice that the names of Smith, Nancy J and Mary J are all consistent, as are their birth locations. In addition, Nancy's siblings are also living with the family. Samuel Smith Guthrie was actually about 28 in this census year, indicating a possible transcription error. 

1860: CENSUS of LINN, CEDAR, IOWA, USA

Thomas Grieve Household: Thomas Grieve 41 farmer Scotland, Martha M 30 NY, George W 14 NY, Mary L 12 NY, Martha M 10, Euphiah 8 NY, Nancy 11 NY, Charles Hutchins 28 farm laborer NY.

1861: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, IDA M. GUTHRIE

Ida was born on 25 Nov 1861. Unlike her sisters Mary Jane and Fanny, she appears to have remained with her father after her mother's 1868 death. At least she was living with her father, step-mother, and brother Thomas in 1870. She married James Houston McAdams in Rock Port, Atchison, Missouri on 22 Feb 1880. They lived in the Tarkio, MO area, but moved to Algernon, Custer, Nebraska and were enumerated in the State Census there in 1885. Their small family remained in Custer County, Nebraska. James died in 1917 and Ida died on 19 Jan 1929. Both are buried in the Mason City Cemetery, Mason City, Custer, Nebraska. Their tombstones read: "Father" and "Mother".  

   

1863: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, FRANCES 'FANNY' ELLEN GUTHRIE

Fanny was born in Cedar County, Iowa on 6 April 1863. Her mother, Nancy Jane Lillie Guthrie, died when she was only 4-5 years old. She was the youngest daughter, but not the youngest child. Her brother Thomas was younger, but he was at the time the only son of the family. There was a 9 month span between the death of her mother and her father's remarriage to his new wife. During that time it appears that Fanny was probably given to a friend or relative to raise. This was a common practice when widowers suddenly found themselves with young children to raise. It is possibly what happened to her father when he was young.

The 1870 census shows Fanny Guthry, age 8, living in Pioneer, Cedar, Iowa, in the home of James Leech 54. Ten years later during the 1880 census, we find that Fannie Guthrie, is still living with the James Leech family, and is now listed as an 'adopted daughter'. Living next door is her father's probable brother, James Guthrie, and his family. Fanny married Frank K Gleason in Iowa sometime in 1885. They lived in Mechanicsville/Pioneer, Cedar, Iowa. Frank died in 1935 and Fannie in 1939.  Both are buried at Rose Hill Cemetery, Mechanicsville, Cedar County, Iowa. Photos requested. 

1866: BIRTH of SON, THOMAS A GUTHRIE

Thomas Guthrie was born on 1 August 1958 in Mitchell, Scotts Bluff, Nebraska. Unlike his sister Fanny who appears to have been adopted out after her mother's death, Thomas appears to have remained with his father. Most likely because he was his father's only son at the time. In 1870, he is living in Franklin, Linn, Iowa with his father, step-mother Nancy Jane Grieve Guthrie, and sister Ida. He was listed in the 1880 census with his family in Clark, Atchison, Missouri. On 5 Dec 1891, Thomas married Minnie Jane Gregorie in Broken Bow, Custer, Nebraska. They had 1 son, Clifford Ernest Guthrie. Minnie died in 1957 and Thomas in 1958. They, along with their son Clifford, are buried in Antelope Valley Cemetery, Oshkosh, Garden County, Nebraska. (Cemetery Photo Credit: CBry. Posted with her permission.)   

1868: DEATH of WIFE, NANCY JANE LILLIE GUTHRIE

Nancy Jane Lillie Guthrie died on 14 Jan 1868 in Mechanicsville, Cedar, Iowa. Age 27 years, 2 months, 20 days. Burial location unknown.

1868: MARRIAGE of SAMUEL SMITH GUTHRIE & NANCY JANE GRIEVE

Nine months after his first wife's death, Samuel married Nancy Jane Grieve on 30 Sep 1868. This date was published in Samuel's obituary.

1870: CENSUS of FRANKLIN, LINN, IOWA, USA 

GUTHRY HOUSEHOLD: Saml Guthry head 36 ditching PA; Nancy wife 21 keeping house NY; Ida daughter 8 IA; Thomas 4 son IA.

Only 2 of Samuel's 4 children are living with the family. Mary Jane and Fanny are both located in different households in Pioneer, Cedar, Iowa. 

1870: EMIGRATED FROM IOWA to MISSOURI 

1871: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, FLORENCE CLARINDA GUTHRIE

Samuel and Nancy Jane (Grieve) Guthrie's first child was Florence Clarinda or Clarinda Florence depending upon the record. She was born on 20 April 1871 in Missouri. She first married Truman Dalrymple. Census records indicate they married in 1894. They had 1 known son. Truman apparently died after which Florence moved back to Nebraska. She married Harvey S. Mulvaney.  They had at least 1 son. According to Guthrie family records, Florence lived until 1957, but her husband Harvey S. Mulvaney is listed with a wife named Ida B. Mulvaney in the 1930 census. Did they divorce or did Florence die between 1920-1930?

1873: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, MARGARET 'MAGGIE' MAY GUTHRIE

Maggie was born on 24 April 1873 in Tarkio, Atchison, Missouri. The family moved to Nebraska when she was 11. She married Delmer Silas Draper at the age of 21. Their family lived in Elm & Webster Townships, Sherman, Nebraska (1900); Basin, Big Horn, Wyoming (1910), Billings, Yellowstone, Montana (1920), Greybull, Big Horn, Wyoming (1930). Her husband died in 1957. Maggie died three years later on 13 Apr 1960 in Seattle, King, Washington. 

1875: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, EFFIE ALBERTIE GUTHRIE

Effie was born on 24 Sep 1875 in Clark City, Atchison, Missouri. Unknown if Effie was a nickname for Ethel. When she was about 9 her family moved from Missouri to Nebraska. She married George W. Rightnour in 1900 on a date after the census was taken. No known children. Death and burial information unknown. 

1877: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, MINNIE ROBERTIE GUTHRIE

Minnie was born on 27 Sep 1877 in Missouri. She was about 7 when the family moved to Nebraska. She married Stuart B McKenty in 1898 when she was 21 years old. They had 2 known sons. The McKenty family was living in Lincoln, Lancaster, Nebraska in 1930. Stuart died in 1934. The 1958 obituary of her brother Thomas A Guthrie lists Minnie's surname as Hagan indicating that she had remarried. She died the same year as her brother and is buried with her first husband in Ansley Cemetery, Ansley, Custer, Nebraska. Plot: 1st Add - 1 - 16 - 5.

   

1878: BIRTH of SON, LEWIS RIFE GUTHRIE

Lewis is the ancestor of our DNA Project participant, Ron Guthrie. Lewis is sometimes spelled in the records as Louis. Rife sometimes spelled Riffe. His tombstone reads as "Lewis Rife" so we will go with that. He was born in Tarkio, Atchison, Missouri on 2 Aug 1878. He was about 6 when the family moved to Nebraska. He was listed with the family in Mason City Village, Custer, NE (1900). His first marriage, taking place on 5 April 1903, was to Irma Leona Fielding. They had 4 daughters and 3 sons. In 1910 they were living in Algernon, Custer, Nebraska. Lewis' brother, Glenn was living with them at the time. Irma died in 1919. The following year, the 1920 census shows that Irma's mother, Mrs Ella N. Fielding, was keeping house for her widowed son-in-law and grandchildren. Lewis remarried on 5 Oct 1922 to Mrs Lottie Lea Hawk Clingerman Koppenhaver. Lottie had a son and daughter from each of her previous marriages. Lewis & Lottie had 3 sons and 4 daughters of their own, 3 of whom died in infancy or childhood. They lived in Mitchell, Scotts Bluff, Nebraska. Lewis died on 29 July 1941. He is buried in Mason City Cemetery with his first wife, Irma Leona Fielding Guthrie. Lottie later remarried to James Crockett Rose. He passed away in 1970 and Lottie on 10 Nov 1974. She is buried at Mitchell Cemetery.

   

1880: CENSUS of CLARK, ATCHISON, MISSOURI, USA

Guthrie Household: Samuel 47 farmer PAx3; Nancy J 31 keeping house NY SCT NY; Thomas 14 farmer IA; Florence 9 @ school MO; Maggie 7 @ school MO; Effie 5 @ school MO; Minnie 2 MO; (Infant) male 9m MO [The infant is Lewis Rife Guthrie]. 

1881: BIRTH of SON, CHARLES 'CHARLIE' WILLIAM GUTHRIE

Charlie was born on 22 Sep 1881 in Missouri. He was just 3 years old when the family moved from Missouri to Nebraska. Sometime between 1900-1910 he married Mary E. M_____. They were living on Main Street in Sheridan, Sheridan, Wyoming in 1910, and running a hotel. His 1917 WWI Draft Registration card lists him as a self-employed hotel proprietor then living in Lowell, Big Horn, Wyoming. They had 3 children listed in census records all of whom may have died young. Charlie died on 27 Sep 1965.

   

1884: EMIGRATED from MISSOURI to NEBRASKA 

"(Samuel moved) to Custer County NE in 1884. He filled on a claim which was the SE 1/4 14-15-17 south of the present Hwy #92 and the present Guthrie place." 

1884: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, VIDA ELZIRA GUTHRIE

Vida was the first child of the family born in Nebraska. Her birth date was 26 july 1884. She may have lived in parts of Custer County, Nebraska her entire life. She married Pascal Newton Comer about 1903. He died in 1959. Her second marriage was to J. William Clark. Vida is buried in Ansley Cemetery.   

1885: STATE CENSUS of ALGERNON, CUSTER, NEBRASKA, USA 

Guthrie Household: Sam'l 52 farmer PAx3; Nancy 36; Clarinda F 14; Maggie 12; Effa A 9; Minnie R 6; Lewis R 5 ; Chas. W 3; Vida E 10/12 July; Thos. 21 farmer IA 

1886: BIRTH of SON, HENRY GLENN GUTHRIE

Glenn was born on 16 Oct 1886 in Nebraska, likely in Mason City Village, Custer County, Nebraska. He was enumerated with his parents during the 1900 census. In 1910 he was living with Lewis's family in Algernon, Custer, Nebraska and working as a farmer. After his father's death Glenn remained on the home farm on Clear Creek with his mother Nancy Jane Grieve Guthrie until 2 years before her death in 1929. The 1930 census shows him listed in Algernon, Custer, Nebraska living with his niece, Alta's family (daughter of Lewis). Glenn died on 28 Dec 1970. He is buried in Ansley Cemetery, Ansley, Custer, Nebraska. His tombstone lists his middle name with 1 "n" rather than two.

   

1887: PROPERTY (SALE of CLAIM)

"They sold the claim in 1887 and leased part of the present Guthrie place." 

1891: PROPERTY (PURCHASE) 

"They purchased 120 acres of the present place in 1891 from the Litchfield Bank and leased the 160 acres across the road south being NW 1/3 13-15-17." 

1891: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, PLUMA VERA 'DOLLY' GUTHRIE

Dolly was the youngest of the Guthrie children. She was born on 8 Oct 1891 in Nebraska. At the age of 18, in 1909, she married Everett Pickerel, a Nebraska farmer. By 1920 they had moved to Condington County, South Dakota where they raised their family. Everett died in 1952. Dolly died in Sep 1980. She was living in Sioux City, Minnehaha, South Dakota at the time. Their burial location is unknown. 

1900: CENSUS of MASON CITY VILLAGE, CUSTER, NEBRASKA, USA

Guthrie Household: SAMUEL S. 67, Aug 1832 Mx31 PAx3 farmer; Nancy J 50, July 1849 Mx31 9ch 9liv NY SCT NY; Louis R 20, Aug 1879 MO; Charles W 18, Sep 1881 MO; Nida E 15, July 1884 NB; Henry G 13, Oct 1886 NB @ school; Pluma V 8 Oct 1891 NB. 

1910: CENSUS of ALGERNON, CUSTER, NEBRASKA, USA

Guthrie Household: L.R. 31 head MO farmer; Irma L. 25 wife NB; Atha M 6 dau NB; Jeralden 1 dau NB; S.S. 77 father mx2 41 PA own income; N.J. 61 mother mx1 41 9ch 9liv NY; Glenn 24 brother NB farmer. 

1916: DEATH of SAMUEL SMITH GUTHRIE

Samuel Smith Guthrie died on 2 January 1916. 83 years, 4 months, 12 days. His body was interred in Lone Elm Cemetery, Loup City, Sherman, Nebraska. His wife Nancy survived him by 13 years, but they share a memorial stone (see below). His obituary is posted below.

1920: CENSUS of ALGERNON, CUSTER, NEBRASKA, USA

Guthrie Household: Henry G. Guthrie, head, 32 single, NE/PA/NY, farmer; Nancy J Guthrie, mother, 71 NY/SCT/NY.

The household of Lewis R Guthrie is listed close by on the same page. 

1929: DEATH of NANCY JANE GRIEVE GUTHRIE 

Nancy Jane Grieve Guthrie passed away on 20 May 1929 at the home of her daughter Vida Comer in Ansley, Custer, Nebraska. She was 80 years, 10 months, 10 days of age. She is buried with her husband Samuel in Ansley Cemetery. They share the memorial marker you see below. 

 

The Guthrie family at their sod home for the funeral of Samuel Smith Guthrie on 4 Jan 1916.
Widow Nancy Jane Grieve Guthrie and 8 of her 9 children. 
Rear L to R: Pluma, Lewis, Charlie, Glenn
Front L to R:  Minnie, Vida, Nancy Jane, Effie, Florence

The Guthrie family at their sod home for the funeral of Samuel Smith Guthrie on 4 Jan 1916.
3 of the 4 children from Samuel's first marriage to Nancy Jane Lillie
L to R: Fanny, Thomas, Ida