Guthrie Genealogy

GENETIC GENEALOGY of GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 2A

John Guthrie & Mary Erwin

GFG2A - BRANCH G - CLUSTER 2

John Guthrie

Son of John Guthrie & Jane Reed

Birth: 1752

Birth Location: Londonderry, Ireland

Nickname: Jack

Marriage: c1790 in Westmoreland, Pennsylvania

Military Service: Revolutionary War

Death: 1805

Death Location: Kentucky

Burial: Probably somewhere in Kentucky

Mary Erwin

Daughter of Joseph Erwin & (Unknown)

Birth: 1755

Birth Location: Westmoreland, Pennsylvania

Married 1st: Archibald Lochry

Lochry Sons: None

Lochry Daughters: Jean, Elizabeth 

Guthrie Sons: John, James, Samuel

Guthrie Daughters: Margaret, Jenny, 1 of unknown gender

Death: Unknown, but after 1803.

Death Location: Westmoreland, Pennsylvania

Burial: Unknown cemetery, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania          

HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS:

1752: BIRTH of JOHN 'JACK' GUTHRIE, Jr.

John Guthrie, Jr was sometimes called Jack or Jacke to distinguish him from his father. He was born in Londonderry, Ireland, reportedly in 1752. 

1755: BIRTH of MARY ERWIN

Mary was born in Pennsylvania in 1755. Online trees indicate that her birthplace was Hanna's Town (Hannastown) in Westmoreland, Pennsylvania. The town was 'a little more than three miles northeast of Greensburg. This is almost 30 years before the town was destroyed by indians during the Revolution. However, the township was not founded until 1773, do there might be some confusion about dates or locations. Hannastown is located within Hempfield Township (District), Pennsylvania. Mary was the daughter of General Joseph Erwin. An alternate spelling for the surname is Irwin. 

1771: GUTHRIE IMMIGRATION to AMERICA

The Guthrie family immigrated from Londonderry, Ireland to Pennsylvania and settled 'beyond the frontiers' in what is now Westmoreland County. If his birth year of 1752 is correct, Jack would've been about 19 years old. "He became a famous Indian scout. He was an astute woodsman, skilled in Indian warfare, a patriot in the Revolution, and a frontier ranger."

There are a number of records during this period for men named John Guthrie, so it is very difficult to distinguish which of them refer to this man. 

c1775: MARRIAGE of ARCHIBALD LOCHRY & MARY IRWIN 

More on Archibald Lochry can be found at Wikipedia. 

c1777: MILITARY - REVOLUTIONARY WAR 

There are 3 Pennsylvania Archive entries in which LRG associates with John 'Jack' Guthrie:

1) "Associators and Militia of Westmoreland County, Second Battalion, Seventh Company - Court Martial men - (understood to mean officers who conducted court martials) - John Gutree, Matthew Miller. I do certify that the officers were elected agreeable to the Militia Act. Given under my hand this 10th day of June, 1777. A. Lochry." (PA Arch. Serv. 6, Vol. 2, p.305)

2) Rangers on the Frontiers, Washington County, 1778-1786, "John Guthrie, Adjutant, Westmoreland County." (PA Arch. Serv. 3, Vol. 28, p.214)

3) "Continental Line, Depreciation Pay-- Westmoreland County Militia-- Guthrie, John, Adjutant." (PA Arch Ser 5, Vol 4, p.439) 

1781: DEATH of ARCHIBALD LOCHRY

Early in the Summer of 1781, General George Rogers Clark wrote to Colonel Archibald Lochry, the county lieutenant of Westmoreland county, desiring him to raise one hundred of more volunteers, and one company of cavalry, to join his expedition to the West. John 'Jack' Guthrie accompanied him on this expedition. {Map Source

LRG, p716, ref 420. An interview with Gen. Robert Orr, son of the late Judge Robert Orr who was a Captain in Col. Lochry's detachment.

"Pretty sure that Jack Guthrie was a staff officer of the regiment, perhaps Adjutant, or commisary, or quartermaster, with perhaps the rank of captain."

While Brant and his Indian leaders were counseling together what to do with the prisoners, one of the Indians "Led Lochry and Jack Guthrie a short distance, and placed them upon a log. Without further ceremony, the Indian aimed a tomahawk blow at Col. Lochry, which struck on the side of the head, (Gen. Orr thinks), and Lochry fell partly forward resting his hands upon the ground, yet struggling and partly recovering himself, as if stunned by the blow, when his murderer siezed one of Lochry's arms and plunged his knife into his victim's side, who sank to the ground and expired. Guthrie jumped up from the log and ran to where the other prisoners were, and thus, it was thought averted a similar fate."

 Reports vary between 5 and 15 survivors, John 'Jack' Guthrie being one of these men.

After 1781: MARRIAGE of JACK GUTHRIE & MARY ERWIN LOCHRY

After an unknown period of mourning, Archibald Lochry's widow married John 'Jack' Guthrie. There were reportedly 8 children listed in Jack's estate papers (need copies). Only their son John is listed by LRG. Online trees list 5 children: John (1791), James (1794), Margaret (1797), Jenny (1800), and Samuel (1803). At this point in time we have 1 DNA participant descending from their son James.

1790: CENSUS of WASHINGTON, WESTMORELAND, PENNSYLVANIA
John Guthrie Household:
2M 16+, 6F 

1791: BIRTH of SON, JOHN GUTHRIE

John Guthrie (III) was born in Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania. By 1813, he had married Catherine Buchanan who was born in 1788, died in 1876. John died in March of 1866. This family is initially found in Washington, Westmoreland, PA in 1820, which is important because brother James (below) is also enumerated there in the same census. By 1830, John and Catherine had moved to Armstrong County, PA. They lived in Manor Township, Armstrong, Pennsylvania. They had 3 sons and 4 daughters.

1794: BIRTH of SON, JAMES GUTHRIE

Ancestor of DNA Project participant, Ron Guthrie. James was born in Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania about 1794. He married Mary Miller. One of their children was Ron's ancestor Samuel Smith Guthrie. There may have been at least 7 other children in the family, some of whom have been identified. James died about 1840, and Mary on 7 Feb 1844.

1797: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, MARGARET GUTHRIE

Margaret was born in Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania about 1797. She married John Christie. Margaret was living in Richard, Ohio at the time of her death in 1871. No further details known. 

1797: DEATH of JACK's FATHER, JOHN GUTHRIE, SR. 

"John Guthrie of Washington Township, William Guthrie of Salem Township (this was William Guthrie, the husband of Elizabeth (Guthrie) Brownlee), William Beatty, and James Beatty, both of Washington Township, and James Porterfield, of Salem Township, in consideration of the sum of five shillings to each of us in hand paid by James Guthrie and William Guthrie, both of Salem Township, do hereby give up and quit-claim our interest in the estate of John Guthrie Esq, deceased, late of Salem Township, to the said James Guthrie and William Guthrie. 10th April 1797.

(Signed)
John Guthrie
William Guthrie
William Beatty
John Beatty
James Porterfield.
In the presence of Samuel Porter, James Hill. Recorded 15th day of April, 1811. (Westmoreland Co Pa Deeds Vol 9, p262)   

This document also confirms that John 'Jack' Guthrie was a resident of Washington Township in 1797, which is the same location that his sons John and James were living with their families in 1820.

1800: CENSUS of WASHINGTON, WESTMORELAND, PENNSYLVANIA
John Guthrie Household:
1M & 1F 26-44 (John should be 45+)
3F 16-25
2F 10-15
2M & 2F <10 

1800: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, JENNY GUTHRIE

Although online trees list "Jenny Guthrie" they offer no details about her life. We need information from John 'Jack' Guthrie's estate papers. 

1803: BIRTH of SON, SAMUEL GUTHRIE 

The most likely candidate found in the records to be Samuel, son of John 'Jack' & Mary (Erwin) Guthrie was born c1802-1803 in Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania. He married Mary _____ and they had at least 4 children: Sarah, John P., Samuel Thomas, and Elizabeth. I have been unable to positively identify Samuel during the early census records. This may be because he was the youngest of the the orphaned Guthrie children. The first census record of this man is for 1860 in Wilkins, Allegheny, PA. The family was living in Braddocks, Allegheny, PA during the 1870 census. Samuel wrote a will on 29 Mar 1886 leaving property to his sons. Samuel died on  20 Feb 1889 in Pittsburgh and is buried in McKeesport and Versailles Cembery in McKeesport, Allegheny, PA.

1805: DEATH of JOHN 'JACK' GUTHRIE, JR.

This is apparently an estimated year of death. Jack reportedly went to Kentucky with the intention of securing lands there, but died of a sudden illness. He is probably buried in Kentucky.