Guthrie Genealogy

GENETIC GENEALOGY of GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 2A

Robert Guthrie & Margaret Wilson & Ruth Roberts

GFG2A - BRANCH E - CLUSTER 5

Robert Guthrie

Son of Robert Guthrie & Agnes Gordon

Born: 1767

Location: Pennsylvania, probably Chester County

Married 1st: <1798

Married 2nd: >1811

Occupation: Farmer

Death: 28 December 1847

Location: West Bethlehem, Washington, PA

Burial: Pigeon Creek Baptist Cemetery

Margaret Wilson

Daughter of Thomas Wilson & Hannah Brown

Born: 1764-1776 (Census-Based Estimate)

Location: Probably Pennsylvania

Sons: Robert, Thomas, John

Daughters: Susan, Nancy, Hannah, Margaret

Death: c1811

Location: Somerset, Washington, Pennsylvania

Burial: Unknown, presumably Washington, PA

Ruth Roberts

Daughter of Leonard Roberts & Sarah Dickerson

Born: 1778

Location: Washington County, Pennsylvania

Sons: Joseph, Leonard, Dickerson R

Daughters: Jane, Ruth, Lucinda

Death: 26 Sep 1848

Location: Washington County, Pennsylvania

Burial: Pigeon Creek Baptist Cemetery

HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS:

1767: BIRTH of ROBERT GUTHRIE
Robert's birth year is based upon a calculation from his tombstone which indicates that he was 80 years of age at his death. His link to parents Robert Guthrie & Agnes Gordon has been made through a collaborative research effort using traditional research methods as well as a detailed analysis of DNA results.

1764-1776: BIRTH of MARGARET WILSON
Margaret's parents were likely Thomas & Hannah (Brown) Wilson. Her parents married in Lancaster, PA in 1772, but were living in Washington County, PA by 1790, and specifically in Somerset Twp by 1800. Margaret's sister, Jane Wilson, would eventually marry Joseph Guthrie, the youngest of Robert Guthrie's brothers.

1778: BIRTH of RUTH ROBERTS
Ruth was the daughter of Robert & Margaret Guthrie's neighbors, Leonard & Sarah (Dickerson) Roberts. An examination of census records shows that she was likely still living at home with her parents in 1810. Ruth's DOB is based on a calculation from her tombstone which indicates that she was 70 years of age at her death. Ruth had 5 sisters, Mary, Martha, Chloe, Lucy & Patty, and 3 brothers, Dickerson, Leonard & Asa.

1781: WASHINGTON COUNTY FORMED
Washington County was formed from Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania. The region of Washington had been opened for settlement since 1768. 

1783: TAX RECORDS of WASHINGTON COUNTY

In 1783, Robert was only about 16 years of age. Most likely, he was still living with his parents back in Chester County, Pennsylvania, but there is no way to know that for a fact. So here are the regional tax records for Washington County listing men of the Guthrie surname & variant spellings.

Somerset Twp included 2 'single freemen' named James Gutteridge & Guffy, and one John Gutteridge. Cecil Twp included 1 Robert Guttery. Donegal Twp included 1 Robert Gutry.

1790: CENSUS RECORDS

There is 1 possible census entry for a Robert Guthrie living in Washington County, Pennsylvania, however there are also 2 other Robert Guthrie men who were supposed to be living there at the time. This entry lists: 1M 16+, 2M <16, 1F. According to what we know about the estimated DOB of Robert Guthrie's children, they were born after 1800, so chances are that this household belongs to a different Robert Guthrie. There is no sign of Robert Guthrie listed as a head of household in either Somerset or West Bethlehem Townships in Washington County, Pennsylvania. If he was living there is is likely that he was still unmarried and that he was in somebody else's household as a relative, servant or laborer. 

There was a William Guthrey in West Bethlehem as early as 1793 when he was named on a Tax List & 1794 when some of the townfolk took the Oath of Allegiance. No proven connection to this Robert Guthrie. The appendix to this list includes Leonard Roberts (father of Ruth) & Dickinson Roberts. 

1800: CENSUS RECORDS

By 1800, one would expect to find Robert Guthrie listed as the head of his own household. He was already married by that date, but it appears that he and his wife Margaret did not yet have any children. 

There is no Robert Guthrie household in Somerset Twp for 1800. The only one listed is a small household for a William Guthrie. The Wm who had been in W. Bethlehem in 1793&1794 is no longer there in 1800, so it is possible that he moved to Somerset Twp. William's household contains 1M&1F45+ and 1M16-25, so does not meet the criteria for including Robert & his wife.

There are only three men named Robert Guthrie listed as HOH for Washington County: 2 in Chartiers, 1 in Carlisle, all of which have been identified.

  • Robert Guthrie of Chartiers #1:  1M&1F 45+, 2M 16-25 {Interpretation is that this is Robert & Agnes (Gordon) Guthrie}
  • Robert Guthrie of Chartiers #2:  1M&1F 16-25 {Interpretation is that this is the son of Robert & Agnes (Gordon) Guthrie, but wrong age range for Robert.}
  • Robert Guthrie of Carlisle:  1M 26-44, 1F 16-25, 1F 10-15, 1M under 10. {Interpretation is that this is Robert D. Guthrie of Carlisle}
As a childless and perhaps recently married couple, Robert & Margaret might still have been living within someone else's household and been enumerated there.
 
Robert is known to be the father of 6 sons & 7 daughters. Their dates of birth are not all known. An examination of census records provided estimations of their ages, allowing us to narrow the timeframes during which these children were likely born.
 
1801-1804: BIRTH of DAUGHTER NANCY GUTHRIE
There is no indication in the known family history that Nancy & Hannah were twins. Chances are that they were singlet births during the 1801-1804 timeframe.
Based upon the theory that Robert Guthrie had 2 wives, census records suggest that Nancy would be the daughter of Margaret (Wilson) Guthrie. 
 
Nancy Guthrie was named in a May 1849 case filed by brother Dickerson Roberts Guthrie to effect the division of their father's estate. Indicates that Nancy Guthrie was married to William Guthrie of Guernsey Co. Ohio. 7 children survive. This indicates that Nancy was deceased by 1849. The 1830 census of Guernsey County, Ohio lists the household of William Guthrie, indicating that he and his wife were born 1801-1810. A narrowed estimate is based on additional census records for Robert Guthrie's household.
 
Currently, there is no known connection between the two Guthrie lines. DNA testing could help sort that out if a descendant of William & Nancy (Guthrie) Guthrie chooses to participate in the DNA project. 
 
1801-1804: BIRTH of DAUGHTER HANNAH GUTHRIE
Hannah was a daughter of Robert & Margaret (Wilson) Guthrie. It is possible that she was named for her maternal grandmother, Hannah Wilson. Like her sister Nancy, she married another Guthrie. Thomas & Hannah (Guthrie) Guthrie were living in Guernsey County, Ohio in 1840. She was named with her siblings in the 1849 Orphans Court Records, but was likely dead by 1850 as she is not listed with the rest of her family. Thomas & Hannah's children listed in the 1850 census were: Margaret, William, Thomas P., and John Guthrie. Hannah's age range for the census is 1801-1810. Online records list it as 1805. Robert's household census records indicate 1801-1804.
 
1803: BIRTH of TWIN SONS ROBERT GUTHRIE & THOMAS GUTHRIE
The twins were born on 27 July 1803. Robert & Thomas were the sons of Robert Guthrie's first wife Margaret (Wilson) Guthrie.
 
Robert Guthrie married Sarah Leatherman in West Bethlehem, Washington, PA on 6 April 1826. They were enumerated there in 1830. In July of 1836 Robert and his twin, Thomas travelled to Allen County, Ohio to purchase land. Robert's family was again enumerated in West Bethlehem in 1840. They made the move to Ohio in 1844. They were listed in the 1850 & 1860 census for Auglaize, Allen, Ohio, but moved to Jackson, Allen, Ohio by 1870. Robert & his wife Sarah were living in the home of their son William in 1880. Robert died on 30 March 1887. Sarah died on 2 Feb 1896. They had 5 sons and 7 daughters. Their youngest child, William Richard Guthrie, is the ancestor of DNA Project participant Ellis Joel Guthrie.
 
Thomas Guthrie married Mary Magdalena Custer, who was the daughter of Jacob Custer & Elizabeth Leatherman. They emigrated to Ohio prior to 1829 with the Custer family and were living in Licking County when they were enumerated in the 1830 census. In July of 1836, Thomas and his brother Robert, who was still living in PA, traveled to Allen County, Ohio where they purchased land. In 1840, Thomas and his family were enumerated in Auglaize, Allen, Ohio. Thomas died of an accidental gunshot wound in 1846, and was survived by his wife and children. They had 3 sons and 4 daughters. There are no living male Guthrie descendants of Thomas' line.
 
1805-1810: BIRTH of SON JOHN GUTHRIE
John was born sometime between 1805-1810 making him a child of Margaret (Wilson) Guthrie. He died before May 1849 when Orphans Court Records listed him as deceased. With all of the other sons having known DOB and the census records indicating only one other son born 1805-1810, this must be the right age range for John.

1806: BIRTH of DAUGHTER MARGARET GUTHRIE
Margaret was presumably named after her mother Margaret (Wilson) Guthrie. She married Jesse Hall and they were named in Orphans Court Records in May 1849. They were living in Putnam County, Ohio in 1850 when their family was listed on the census. They had several children. 7-year old Thomas Guthrie, probably the son of her deceased brother Thomas Guthrie, was living with them in 1850. Margaret died on 25 Sep 1870 and is buried in Clymer Cemetery in Riley, Putnam, Ohio.

1807: PROPERTY PURCHASE
To Robert Guthrie from Patrick Scott, 'Caravel', 104-3/4 acres, consideration of $750. Scott originally patented the tract in Aug 1784. This farm was just one farm removed from the W. Bethlehem Twp line. Just north of land acquired by Leonard Roberts in 1787. Patrick Scott was the father of Martha (Scott) Wilson who married Thomas Wilson, believed to be the son or grandson of Margaret (Wilson) Guthrie's father, Thomas Wilson.

1809: PROPERTY SALE

Robert Guthrie & wife Margaret sell their portion of the family farm for $480. Location: Chartiers, Washington, PA. 

1809: PROPERTY PURCHASE
10 Jan 1809: Volume 1U - Page 425: Robert Guthrie (Grantee) from Patrick Scott (Grantor) Wash. Co. Note: This is a Quit Claim related to the 1807 entry above. Martha (Scott) Wilson's hears relinquish rights.

1810: PROPERTY PURCHASE
10 Jan 1810: Volume 1U - Page 781: Robert Guthrie (Grantee) from Mary Thompson con (Grantor) - Somerset

BEFORE 1810: BIRTH of DAUGHTER SUSAN GUTHRIE
Susan Guthrie is a bit of an unknown. We know she was a daughter of Robert Guthrie, but that seems to be the extent of it. When interpreting the age ranges of the unknown children compared to the known children on the census listings, Susan appears to fit best as the daughter of 1801-1810 on the 1810 census. There  are initially 4 daughters in that age range. One of the girls is either deceased or living outside of the household by 1820.

1810: CENSUS RECORDS, SOMERSET TOWNSHIP, WASHINGTON COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA
Robert Guthrie Household: 1M 45+, 1F 26-44, 1M 16-25, 3M&4F <10 

Interpretation:
1M 45+ (<1766) Robert
1F 26-44 (1766-1784) Margaret
1M 16-25 (1785-1794) Probably a relative or servant
3M <10 (1801-1810): Robert, Thomas, John 
4F <10 (1801-1810): Nancy, Hannah, Margaret, & possibly Susan 

1811: DEATH of MARGARET (WILSON) GUTHRIE
Robert's wife Margaret died about 1811. I have no source information other than a single entry found on Ancestry to back it up, but the date seems to correlate with the differences in the birth dates of the children and the ages of the wife in census years. Margaret's burial location is unknown.

AFTER 1811: MARRIAGE to RUTH ROBERTS
With 7 children under the age of 10 it is likely that Robert Guthrie remarried sooner rather than later. His exact marriage date to Ruth Roberts is unknown. Their child Jane was reportedly born in 1812.

1812: BIRTH of DAUGHTER JANE GUTHRIE
According to the 1850 census, Jane Guthrie was born 1810-1812. Based upon the dates we currently have about the death of Margaret (Wilson) Guthrie, Jane would be the first child of Robert and his second wife, Ruth (Roberts) Guthrie. Jane married Robert George. They were the parents to several children. There are 2 Robert George households with wives by the name of Jane listed in Ohio for 1850, one in Muskingum Ohio and the other in Cranberry, Crawford, Ohio. Looking back at the 1840 census, the Muskingum County man seems to have been in that same county. The other Robert George family was living in Adams, Guernsey, Ohio, a location associated with the Guthrie family.

1814: PROPERTY PURCHASE
22 Dec 1814: Volume 1Y - Page 549: Robert Guthrie (Grantee) from Thomas Wilson al (Grantor) - Somerset 

<1815: BIRTH of DAUGHTER LUCINDA GUTHRIE
Lucinda was the daughter of Robert & Ruth (Roberts) Guthrie. She was born 1811-1815. She married David Uhlery. They were enumerated in the 1840 census of Washington County, Pennsylvania. Lucinda died prior to May 1849 when the she and her siblings were listed in Orphans Court Records on the division of their father's estate. The records indicated that Lucinda was deceased before that date. David & Lucinda had 2 sons, Joseph and Eli.

1816: BIRTH of SON JOSEPH GUTHRIE
Joseph was born on 15 November 1816. It is possible that Joseph was named for his father's brother, Joseph Guthrie. He married Matilda Behnam. They had 1 daughter, Narcissa. Joseph died on 4 May 1848 and is buried in Pioneer Cemetery, Lebenon, Warren, Ohio. His widow remarried to his younger brother, Dickerson R. Guthrie.

1817: BIRTH of SON LEONARD GUTHRIE
Likely named for his maternal grandfather, Leonard Roberts. He married Catherine Enoch in 1845 in West Bethlehem, Washington, Pennsylvania. They remained in Washington County through the 1860 census. By 1870 they had moved to Richill, Greene, Pennsylvania. Leonard died on 24 August 1892 in Ryerson Station, Greene, Pennsylvania. He was buried in Lazear Cemetery, Richill, Greene, Pennsylvania. Leonard & Catherine had 3 sons and 4 daughters. There is currently no representative from Leonard's direct line participating in the DNA Project.

1820: BIRTH of SON DICKERSON R. GUTHRIE
Named for his mother's Roberts relatives, Dickerson was born in 1820, the last child of Robert & Ruth (Roberts) Guthrie. After the death of his mother, he moved to Ohio where he married the widow of his brother Joseph in 1850. They lived in Putnam County, Ohio. They had a couple of daughters, and 1 son. The son may not have survived childhood. Dickerson died on 20 March 1880 and is buried in Truro Cemetery, Putnam County, Ohio.  

1820: CENSUS RECORDS of SOMERSET, WASHINGTON, PENNSYLVANIA
The Robert Guthrie Household: 1M 45+ (<1776), 1F 26-44 (1776-1794), 1M&2F 16-25 (1795-1804), 2M 16-18 (1802-1804), 1M&1F 10-15 (1805-1810), 3M&2F <10 (1811-1820).

Interpretation:
1M 45+ (<1776) Robert
1F 26-44 (1776-1794) Ruth
1M 16-25 (1795-1804) Relative, Servant or Lodger
2F 16-25 (1795-1804) Nancy & Hannah
2M 16-18 (1802-1804) Robert & Thomas (twins)
1M 10-15 (1805-1810) John
1F 10-15 (1805-1810) Margaret
3M <10 (1811-1820) Joseph, Leonard & Dickerson
2F <10 (1811-1820) Jane & Lucinda 

The only other listing for a Robert Guthrie household in Washington County, PA is that of Robert Guthrie of Peters Twp, which does not match the family configuration expected when compared to 1830 Robert Guthrie of West Bethlehem Twp. 

1824: DEATH of FATHER-in-LAW LEONARD ROBERTS
Leonard Roberts, the father of Ruth (Roberts) Guthrie died 15 Aug 1824 in West Bethlehem, Washington, Pennsylvania. 

1824: FARMER/CARPENTER/CABINETMAKER
"Robert Guthrie, in addition to farming, was a carpenter and cabinet maker. He receipted for the sum of 8 dollars for making the coffin for Leonard Roberts, his father-in-law, in 1824." 

1821-1825: BIRTH of DAUGHTER RUTH GUTHRIE
Ruth Guthrie was born 1821-1825, to Robert's second wife Ruth (Roberts) Guthrie. Presumably, she died in childhood, or at least before May 1849 when she and her siblings were listed in Orphans Court Records on the division of their father's estate. The records indicated that Ruth was deceased before that date. 

1825: PROPERTY PURCHASE / MOVED to WEST BETHLEHEM, WASHINGTON, PENNSYLVANIA
To Robert Guthrie from Richard Richardson, for the consideration of $1500, 2 tracts of land located south of and abutting that land of Leonard Roberts and others, located in West Bethlehem Twp, Washington Co PA. Tract one was 134 acres and tract two was 18 

1828: WILL of (POSSIBLE) FORMER FATHER-in-LAW THOMAS WILSON WRITTEN in SOMERSET, WASHINGTON, PENNSYLVANIA
Wilson, Thomas - Somerset Twp (page 168) - Dated: 25 Nov 1828 - Prob: 26 Dec 1834 - Exec: sons Thomas & John - Wit: Joseph McBurney; Thomas Smith, State of Ohio; Jos Henderson vouched for Smith's signature - Bene: wife Hannah; sons: James, William, Alexander, John, Thomas; daus: Jane, wife of Joseph Guthrie; Margaret, wife of Robert Guthrie; grandson Thomas, s/o Alexander Wilson; John and James; granddaughters Polly and Jane, and children of Robert Guthrie by daughter Margaret. Mentions real estate - Somerset Twp; Strabane Twp; adj lands of James Smith, esq. and Dickerson Roberts; Thomas Smith. {Source: Abstracts of Washington County Pennsylvania Will Books 1-5 (1776-1841)}

Thomas Wilson's daughter Margaret might actually be the Margaret who married Robert Guthrie Jr, son of Robert Guthrie Sr & Agnes Gordon. A Thomas Wilson witnessed their 1809 deed. However, there was a man named Thomas Wilson living in the community where they lived, while the Thomas Wilson was living in Somerset where this Robert Guthrie (1767) lived for a time.

1830: CENSUS RECORDS of WEST BETHLEHEM, WASHINGTON, PENNSYLVANIA
Robert Guthrie Household: (Appears to be a multi-generational household) 1F 70-79 (1751-1760), 1M60-69 (1761-1770), 1F 50-59 (1771-1780), 1M 40-49 (1781-1790), 2F 15-19 (1811-1815) 3M 10-14 (1816-1820), 1F 5-9 (1821-1825). 

1837: PROPERTY PURCHASE
Added another 5 acres to his farm on 29 April 1837.

1839: PROPERTY PURCHASE
On 29 Jan 1839: Volume 2W - Page 243: Robert Guthrie (Grantee) from Joseph Ross ux - W Beth - Note: May refer to the 1837 entry above. 

1840: CENSUS RECORDS of WEST BETHLEHEM, WASHINGTON, PENNSYLVANIA
Robert Guthrie Household: 1M 70-79 (1761-1770), 1F 60-69 (1771-1780), 2M 20-29 (1811-1820), 1M & 2F 15-19 (1821-1825). 1 in Agriculture. 

1847: DEATH & BURIAL of ROBERT GUTHRIE
Robert Guthrie died on 28 December 1847 in West Bethlehem, Washington, PA. He was buried on 30 December 1847 in Pigeon Creek Baptist Cemetery. 

1848: DEATH & BURIAL of RUTH (ROBERTS) GUTHRIE
Ruth (Roberts) Guthrie died on 26 September 1848, less than a year after her husband. She was buried 28 September 1848 in Pigeon Creek Baptist Cemetery.

1849: ORPHANS COURT RECORDS
{Source: Orphans Court Record Vol.1-F, pp 447 May 1849.} 
Dickerson Roberts, son of Robert & Ruth Guthrie filed an action for partition of the real estate of Robert Guthrie, deceased. Robert had died intestate and owned 160 acres of land in W. Bethlehem Twp.

(Note: Dickerson Guthrie was probably the youngest of the Guthrie men. He was born in 1820 and by the time of Roberts death he was still unmarried and age 27. Most likely he remained on the home farm to assist his parents until their death at which time he handled the affairs of the deceased.) 

Children of Robert Guthrie listed in the partition action were: 
Dickerson R. Guthrie, Petitioner 
Robert Guthrie, Allen County, Ohio 
Thomas Guthrie, deceased, Allen Co, Ohio 
John Guthrie, deceased, no issue* 
Ruth Guthrie, deceased, no issue* 
Nancy Guthrie , married to Willliam Guthrie of Guernsey Co, Ohio, 7 children survive. 
Hannah Guthrie married to Thomas Guthrie of Guernsey Co, Ohio 
Jane Guthrie George, married to Robert George 
Joseph Guthrie, deceased, of Warren County Ohio, i daughter Narcissa. 
Lucinda Guthrie married D. Uhlery, deceased, 2 children Joseph and Eli 
Margaret Guthrie married to Jesse Hall, Putnam County Ohio 
Susan Guthrie 
Leonard Guthrie, married to Catherine Enoch, living in Greene Co, PA 

* Both John and Ruth apparently died young without marriage or issue. No record of them has been found other than the above. 

 

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