This group has many genetic mutations/variances/differences compared to all of the other groups. Some to the point that the FTDNA computer does not recognize some as matches to the other members of the group. The matching system seems to show that they are related to some members who are related to other members of the group. This suggests that they have an overall common ancestor, but one that may be very distantly related, with some more recent common ancestors for some branches. The majority of the lineages with similar ancestry trace back to William Guthrie of Mill Creek Hundred, New Castle County, Delaware. There were two Guthrie groups living in DE at the time. One was associated with GFG2A, and the other was this group. However, additional lines lead back to Scotland and Ireland.
Descendants of William Guthrie c1710IRE-1775DE-MCH
Descendants of John Guthrie 1639SCT-1687SCT (Jean Guthrie)
Descendants of William Guthrie 1738 IRE-1828PA (Margaret____)
Descendants of David Guthrie c1796SCT (Agness_____)
Descendants of James Guthrie 1761IRE-1833VA (Mary Shelps)
Descendants of James Guthrie 1775SCT-1850NY (Editha Munson)
Descendants of John Guthrie of IRE/CANADA (Isabella Stinson)
Descendants of Thomas Justice Guthrie 1874PA (Nellie Bordreau)
Descendants of Samuel James Guthrie 1876DE (Ella Hoopes)
Two participants descend from a couple who are both Guthries by birth. John Guthrie and Jean Guthrie’s lineages could be interrelated or two genetically unique Guthrie lines. One participant, 316757, is a Guthrie with only a Y-DNA Test, so we are looking strictly at the participant’s paternal DNA. The other participant, 242550, is a man of the Stewart surname with a Family Finder test.
John Guthrie was born in 1639, reportedly in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. He worked as a writer. He and his wife Jean Guthrie are interred at Greyfriars. They had 3 known sons: Henry, William, and Adam, and 1 daughter, Barbara. William, who married Alison Temple, is the most recent common ancestor of both our Guthrie Y-DNA participant and our Stewart Family Finder participant.
William Guthrie was born in Northern Ireland about 1710. His wife’s name is unknown, as is his year of immigration to America. The family settled in the area of Mill Creek Hundred, New Castle County, Delaware. Note that members of Guthrie Family Group 2A could also be found in New Castle County, but in Pencader Hundred. There are 4 sons credited to William Guthrie: Alexander, William, James, and Adam, as well as 2 daughters: Margaret and Mary.
Three of our Y-DNA participants descend from William’s son William Guthrie Jr and his wife Mary Welch. One descends from their son John Guthrie 1776-1833 & Jane Maffett. The other two descend from their son Thomas Guthrie 1783-1852 & Jane Crawford. Two Family Finder participants, a brother & sister, descend from William Sr’s son Adam Guthrie & wife Mary Anderson.
The first two generations of this participant’s lineage need some detailed research. Stated ancestors are William Guthrie, born 1738 in Ireland, lived in Pike Run, Washington, PA, married to Margaret_______. Their son James Guthrie, 1759 Ireland – 1860 IL married Mary_____. Legitimate documentation begins with the next generation: George Guthrie 1782 Ireland – 1856 Illinois & Margaret Keys. This Guthrie branch appears to have immigrated to America between 1783-1814, settled in Washington County, PA, and in 1854 moved to Sidell, Vermilion County, Illinois.
David Guthrie was born about 1796 in Newton on Ayr, Ayrshire, Scotland. His wife was Agness______. We know of two sons, David and William. Our participant descends from their son David Guthrie born 3 Apr 1823 in St Quivox & Newton, Ayr, Ayrshire, Scotland, and his wife Catherine Finlay Paterson. This family was still in Scotland in the mid-1800s.
The “Widow Guthrie” arrived in America with 5 sons: John, Robert, Stephen, Truman, and James. Our participant for this lineage descends from son James Guthrie, born 1761 in County Tyrone, Northern Ireland and died 1833 in Preston County, Virinia, and his wife Mary Shelps. This family lived along Little Sandy Creek in Monongalia County, Virginia.
James Guthrie 1775CT-1850NY married Editha Munson. They lived in Hebron, Washington County, NY, and later moved to York, Livingston, New York, where he died in 1850. James might have been the son of George Guthrie & Elizabeth Cleghorn of Hebron, Washington, NY. The parents’ identities are unconfirmed, but other documentation confirms his relationships to several siblings.
John Guthrie was born 1791 in Ireland. He immigrated to Canada sometime before 1822. We do not know if it was directly from Ireland to Ontario, or if his family had immigrated to America first before settling in Canada. John’s wife was Isabella Stinson. They marred 25 Apr 1822 in York, Ontario, Canada. John built a house in Whitby Township, Durham, Ontario, Canada in 1844.
Thomas Justice Guthrie was born on 1 Jul 1874 in Pennsylvania, possibly in Bellefonte, Center County. He was listed in the 1880 census of Graham, Clearfield, PA in the household of Henry & Martha Thomas, and listed as an “adopted son”. He married in 1895 to Nellie Bordreau, and their only son, Edward Lyle Guthrie is the direct ancestor of our project participant.
James Guthrie was possibly the son of Thomas Guthrie who lived in Lycoming County, PA and was listed in the 1800 census for Muncy Creek, but not in 1810. On 15 May 1811 a 6-cent reward was offered for a 2-time runaway, a bound boy named James Guttery. At about 16-18 years of age, he married Martha Fansey. Their son Joseph Jones Guthrie 1829-1905 & wife Susannah Andrews are our project participant’s ancestors. This family continued to live in Lycoming County, PA.
Our participant listed his ancestors as Samuel James Guthrie, born 1877 in Pine Creek, New Castle, Delaware, and Ella Hoopes. Research shows that Samuel’s parents were Benjamin F Guthrie 1841DE-1919PA and wife Elizabeth Turner, and grandparents Benjamin Guthrie 1820-1864 and wife Sarah (nee unknown) Saterfield. The latter couple lived in White Clay Creek and Mill Creek Hundred, New Castle County, Delaware. Benjamin was killed in action during the Civil war on 19 Aug 1864 on the skirmish line near Petersburg & Walden Railroad, VA.
This appears to be an old Guthrie family with roots in Ayreshire, Scotland, and with Edinburgh connections. One of the many Scottish families who settled for a time in Northern Ireland, with at least one branch in County Tyrone. There were probably multiple immigrations of descendant branches. The DNA suggests separation over longer periods of time.