This group has ties to Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee. Unlike most of the groups, its ancient human origins place it in Haplogroup I-M253 whose genetic origins are found in greatest frequency in Fenno-Scandia (Finland/Sweden).
The earliest of all lineages matching the members of GFG4 are the Descendants of Thomas Guthrie 1717VA-1800VA whose wife is frequently listed as "Sarah Oakes", although there appears to be some evidence that he had a first wife _____ Oakes, and a second wife Sarah______. Trees also list these wives as "___King" and "Sarah Oakes". In any case, it is possible that all remaining genetic matches may somehow be traced back to Thomas Guthrie for at this time there is no other data to suggest this genetic Guthrie group extends beyond colonial Virginia.
A theory exists listing Thomas Guthrie as the son of Edward Guthery 1675-1739 & Elizabeth____ of King & Queen County and Christ Church Parish, VA. The location of the latter could suggest a possible historical (rather than genetic) connection to GFG1A.
Descendants of Thomas Guthrie 1717VA-1800VA (___King/Sarah Oakes or ____Oakes/Sarah_____)
Descendants of Henry Sidney Guthrie b1807 VA (Mary Agnes Womack)
Descendants of William Preston Guthrie 1833KY-1921NE (Susan Catherine Hodges)
Descendants of James Guthrie b1905TN
Thomas Guthrey was born in 1717 in St John Parish, King William County Virginia. Possible parents are Edward Guthrey 1675-1739 & wife Elizabeth who owned a ferry on the Mattapony & Pamunkey Rivers. Edward died on 28 Sep 1739 in Christ Church Parish, Middlesex, VA. (Home to GFG1A).
Thomas Guthery was twice married.
Marriage #1: Miss____King OR Miss_____Oakes
Children: Susannah King Guthery (FF Test) & Alexander King Guthery (FF Test)
Marriage #2: Sarah Oakes OR Sarah______
Children: Travis Francis Guthrey (Y-DNA Test), Henry Guthrey (FF Test), Thomas Guthrey (Unrepresented), Elizabeth Guthrey (FF Test), William Guthrey (Y-DNA Test), Sarah ‘Sally’ Guthrey (Unrepresented), and John Guthrie (FF Test).
William Preston Guthrie was born 19 April 1833 in Versailles, Woodford, Kentucky. He is listed as the son of Benjamin Guthrie b1792, and Catharine Ramsey. This connection may need confirmation. William married in 1854 to Susan Catherine Hodges. They had 9 children: James, Julia, Luellen, John, William, Cora, Charles, Minerva, and Cecil. Son William Benjamin Guthrie 1863-1938 is the ancestor of our Y-DNA Project Member. This family moved from Kentucky to Nebraska where William Preston Guthrie died in 1921.
Census data indicates that John Guthrie (b1784) of Cumberland County, Virginia is the most likely candidate to be the father of Henry Sidney Guthrie, who was born there in 1807. Henry married two Womack women. First, to Marietta Kaziah Womack in 1832. She died two years later. Secondly, to Mary Agnes Womack, with whom he had 4 sonsL James Henry Sr, Billy L, Samuel W, and John S Guthrie. Our project member for this line is a descendant of James Henry Guthrie Sr and a line of men with the Henry Sidney Guthrie name who left Virginia for Texas.
This participant’s biological father is known to be a James Guthrie who was born in Tennessee about 1901. No other data is available at this time
This participant is a man of the Key surname. His known Key lineage leads back to Kentucky. He has only 2-5 genetic variances at the Y-67 level with his Group 4 Guthrie matches, suggesting that there are only a few generations separating him from a common Guthrie ancestor with the group. Chances are that a paternal event or adoption occurred in an earlier generation. Look for evidence of Key and Guthrie families living in the same area.
The lineage of Thomas Guthrey and Miss King/Sarah Oakes stretches back to the early 1700s. More research is needed to prove a connection to potential parents Edward Guthrey & wife Elizabeth. Their early connection with the Guthries of Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, VA might put them in contention to be the result of a paternal event or adoption somehow linked to Guthrie Family Group 1A. Lack of key documents from some burned courthouses or parishes may prevent the development of a good papertrail. Descendants might focus on the recruitment of Guthries from lineages within the area into the DNA project in order to determine additional genetic clues.
The Guthrie-Hodges and Guthrie-Womack lines might descend directly from Thomas Guthrey & Sarah Oakes, or from other children of Edward & Elizabeth Guthrey if indeed they are the parents of Thomas Guthrey. There is no evidence at this point in time that this genetic Guthrey lineage existed prior to VA.