Guthrie Genealogy

GENETIC GENEALOGY of GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 2A

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 2A

GUTHRIES of PITFORTHIE / SCT / Londonderry N.IRE / CT / DE / PA / VA / WV / OH / NC / SC / TN / GA / AL

This is the largest of all groups represented in the DNA Project, with the majority of surname matches at the Y-111 testing level being GUTHRIE.


Due to the size and scope of the group, it has been divided into alphabetical Branches, each one headed by its BRANCH PROGENITOR (the furthest proven/theorized common ancestor). All branches within the group descend from a single male GUTHRIE who most likely lived during the 1500s making it a very old GUTHRIE FAMILY TREE. 


Additional genetic studies at the Y-111 marker level for almost all of the group's participants have also allowed for additional grouping of these branches into genetic clusters as we speculate on which of the branches are more closely related.


The GUTHRIE GENEALOGY website is primarily focused on the branches associated with this Guthrie Family Group, so many more details will be found on its pages, including a Group Photo Gallery, Research Notes and Documents.

CLAIMS to FAME:

Dr Samuel Guthrie 1782MA-1848NY An American chemist, inventor and physician. He discovered Chloroform, which radically changed the medical field by providing an anesthetic. He also invented percussion pills, an appliance that superseded the flint lock in firearms. The process by which potato starch could rapidly be converted to molasses was another discovery. Samuel Guthrie was a descendant of Branch F's John Guthrie & Abigail Coe via their son James Guthrie & wife Abigail Betts.


Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill 1874CT-1965ENG British politician who was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from 1940-1945 and 1951-1955. He was the first person to be made an honorary citizen of the United States. His 2ndGGM was Sarah Guthrie, daughter to Branch F's John Guthrie & Abigail Coe of CT.


Janet Guthrie Race Car Driver, Athlete. Janet Guthrie was the first female race car driver to compete in a NASCAR Winston Cup stock car race, the Indianapolis 500 and Daytona 500. She was named to the Women's Sports Hall of Fame in 1980, and the International Motorsports Hall of Fame in 2006. Janet Guthrie is a descendant of GFG2 Branch E. 


BRANCH A: Descendants of James Guthrie of IRE/MD/NC & Elizabeth__________                       (Cluster 5)

James Guthrie was likely born in Northern Ireland, in or near Londonderry about 1720. Detailed DNA analysis reveals that he is probably the younger brother or a nephew of Robert Guthrie of Branch E, and John Guthrie of Branch H. John's family history reveals that his parents were John Guthrie and Jane Stuart of Londonderry.

 

The Family History written by his grandson, Rev Allen Washington Guthrie, states that James was married late in life, and that he was about 50 at the time of son Robert's birth in 1770. James's wife was named Elizabeth. Her maiden name remains unknown.


Children: Ann (FF), James (YDNA/FF), Mary (FF), Robert (YDNA/FF), Margaret (FF), Martha, Jean (FF), and Elizabeth (FF). Some of the children are believed to be born in Ireland, some in Maryland, and others in North Carolina. James died about 1801 in Orange County, NC leaving a will. 


Lineages Associated with GFG2A Branch A:

Descendants of son James Guthrie c1765IRE-<1862TN (Jane Smith) - GFG2A matches

Descendants of Robert Guthrie 1770MD-1843 (Mary Smith) - GFG2A matches


DNA Notes:

  • Genetic Mutation - DYS534 = 14 is common to Branches A, E, and H. The remainder of GFG2A = 15.
  • The site coordinator, Ann Guthrie, has autosomal DNA matches to descendants of all of James & Elizabeth Guthrie's children, with the single exception of Martha Guthrie who married an unknown Barnett. Results may actually include such a descendant, but Ann also has Barnett ancestry making it difficult to distinguish in search results.


Research Warnings:

  • Do not confuse James Guthrie of IRE/MD/NC with James Guthrie, the son of Robert & Bridget (Dougherty) Guthrie. He is a different man.
  • Do not confuse GFG2A's James Guthrie Jr c1765IRE/<1862TN (Jane Smith) with GFG13's James Guthrie Sr c1762IRE-1839NY (Jane Smith).
  • Do not confuse James Guthrie Sr's wife Elizabeth, whose maiden name is unknown, with Elizabeth Reins or Elizabeth Dunlap. She was neither.

BRANCH B: Descendants of Robert Guthrie of SCT/PA & Miss___Darlington                                (Cluster 1)

This branch is 1/3 of the 'Three Brothers Theory' where family stories tell that Robert Guthrie, John Guthrie, and James Guthrie of Edinburgh, Scotland came to America by way of Ireland to settle in PA and CT.

Robert Guthrie is the head of a theoretical family placed together by Laurence Rawlins Guthrie in his book 'American Guthrie and Allied Families'. A "Miss Darlington" was believed to be his wife, and they were believed to have 4 sons: Adam, William, James, and John. DNA has revealed that Adam & William are likely to be brothers, but James has specific variances, which tell us he is most likely a Branch G brother. There is no DNA at this time for descendants of John Guthrie. 


Lineages Associated with GFG2A Branch B: 

Descendants of presumed son Adam Guthrie (Mercy Irwin) - GFG2A match
Descendants of presumed son William Guthrie (Elizabeth Barnett) - GFG2A matches
Descendants of presumed son James Guthrie (Jeanette Wilson Moore) - GFG2A matches, but matches even more closely to GFG2A's Branch G.
Descendants of presumed son John Guthrie (Margaret Brown) - No Y-DNA participants at this time.


DNA Notes:

Branches B and F are the only two in GFG2A with descendants who have Mode DNA results. These results reflect the most common value found at any given genetic marker. 


Research Warnings:

The earliest generations of Branches B, F, and I involve GUTHRIE families that have been cobbled together mainly by oral tradition and regional connection rather than documentation. Although DNA testing has proven that many of the associated lineages do indeed belong to GFG2A, it remains unclear whether the family structures are actually correct. See example of James Guthrie (Jeanette Wilson Moore) above.

BRANCH C:  Descendants of James Guthrie of DE/PA/VA & Elizabeth Eilor                                  (Cluster 3)

James Guthrie is believed to be the son of Samuel & Margaret (Knox) Guthrie of New Castle County, Delaware. This theory has not been proven by DNA evidence, but a thin paper trail does exist. James was born between 1758-1765, and died during the War of 1812. He  married Elizabeth Eilor in PA and they lived in Fayette County prior to moving to Monongolia County, VA. Children: James (FF), Robert (YDNA), Betsey, Catherine, Edmund (YDNA), Hannah, Polly, William, Sarah, Margaret (FF). 


Lineages Associated with GFG2A Branch C:

Descendants of Son James Guthrie (Louisa Rebecca Naylor) - No Y-DNA participants at this time
Descendants of Son Robert Guthrie (Castilla Simpson) - GFG2A matches
Descendants of Son Edmund Guthrie (Elizabeth Sapp) - GFG2A match
Descendants of Son William Guthrie - No known living direct male descendants


DNA Notes:

All participants in the DNA project descending from Branch C lineages and our Branch K match have a genetic mutation at DYS561=17. The remainder of GFG2A = 16.


Research Warnings:

There is a second Guthrie Family Group (GFG6) in New Castle County, Delaware.

BRANCH D:  Descendants of Archibald Guthery of the French & Indian Wars                               (Cluster 4)

'American Guthrie and Allied Families' author, Laurence R Guthrie has theorized that John Guthrie 1744-1823 (Lydia Baldwin) and Archibald Guthrery 1753-1779 (Rebecca Phillips) are brothers. There are a few commonalities that might provide evidence toward such an idea, but the DNA is unclear. John's descendants have a couple of pattern markers not found in Archibald's descendants' DNA, and Archibald's descendants have a few pattern markers not found in John's descendants' DNA. They are all definitely branches of GFG2, but the genetic variations could simply be unique to their branches. So, for now, they will be listed here.


The theory goes that John and Archibald are sons of an man named Archibald Guthery, who was probably born about 1710-1720, and was a member of Captain Armstrong's Company at the Fort Bedford Garrison during the French & Indian War. He made a New Purchase Application for land in the New Huntingdon, Westmoreland, PA land lottery, and applied for a 300-acre tract. Nothing else is known about the man.


His presumed son, John Guthery, was born in PA on 14 April 1744. He married Lydia Baldwin in 1771. They lived in an area along the Monangahela River that was disputed territory between VA and PA. The area eventually became Washington County, PA, and later was part of the divided county that became Green County, PA. John Guthery served at Fort Pitt and Fort Macintosh during the Revolutionary War. He was also elected captain of a militia company from his district and maintained one of the protective forts in the area, named Guthery's Fort or Fort Guthery. The family moved from PA to OH and settled in Pike County where he laid out the town of Piketown and was instrumental in making it the county seat. John Guthery died on 1 June 1823. Children of John & Lydia: William (YDNA/FF), Archibald, John, Francis, George, Elisabeth, Priscilla, Aaron (YDNA), Rebecca, Moses (FF), Joseph (FF), and Lydia.


Archibald Guthery was born in Feb 1753 in PA. He married Rebecca Phillips about 1774. Children: Elizabeth, Jane, and Archibald (YDNA/FF). He was in the same regiment as his presumed brother, John Guthery, but was injured in 1779 at what is now East Liberty, Pittsburgh, PA. He died 5 August 1779 at Fort Pitt. His widow Rebecca remarried to a Solomon Hubbs/Hobbs.


Lineages Associated with GFG2A Branch D: 

Descendants of presumed son John Guthery 1744PA-1823OH (Lydia Baldwin) - GFG2A matches
Descendants of presumed son Archibald Guthery 1753PA-1779PA (Rebecca Phillips) - GFG2A matches


DNA Notes:

Despite the commonalities that 'cluster' these two Branch D lineages together, there are several genetic dissimilarities that suggest John and Archibald may not share a father. However, there is currently not enough data to determine when the genetic mutations for their individual lineages began to form. They could be a result of genetic changes occurring after John and Archibald's most recent common ancestor.


Branch D (Archibald):

  • DYS458 = 17 (Group Mode = 18). This value is also shared by our Tordiff & Roy participants who share Guthrie DNA.
  • DYS 464a,b,c,d = 15-15-17-17 (Group Mode = 14-15-16-18). These values are also shared by our Tordiff & Roy participants.
  • DYS485 = 35 (Group Mode = 36). Two descendants of Archibald, one of John, and one from Branch B share this value. 


Branch D (John): 

  • DYS485 (Group Mode = 36). One of the three participants from John's line matches this value also found in Archibald's line.
  • DYS504 = 25 (Group Mode = 24). Two of the three participants from John's line have this value, plus the one participant from Branch J.


Research Warnings:

Don't simply assume that Archibald Guthery of the French & Indian Wars is the definite father of both John Guthery & Archibald Guthery. Continue to look for other options in the documentation.

BRANCH E:  Descendants of Robert Guthrie of N.IRE/PA & Bridget Dougherty                             (Cluster 5)

Robert Guthrie was likely born in Northern Ireland, in or near Londonderry. DNA reveals that he is likely a brother or uncle of James Guthrie of Branch A, and a brother of John Guthrie of Branch H. John's family history reveals that his parents were John Guthrie and Jane Stuart of Londonderry.


Robert Guthrie married Bridget Dougherty in Ireland. He came to Pennsylvania with his eldest son Robert, with wife Bridget and son James following the next year. He worked as a carpenter and cabinetmaker and was involved in organizing the first Carpenter's Guild, acknowledged as the predecessor of the American Trade Union. The family lived primarily in Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA. Children: Robert (YDNA/FF), James, Jane, John, George (YDNA/FF), and Margaret. 


Lineages Associated with GFG2A Branch E: 

Descendants of Son Robert Guthrie (Agnes Gordon) - GFG2A matches
Descendants of Son James Guthrie (Margaret Brown) - No known living direct male descendants 
Descendants of Son John Guthrie (Sarah Ann Davis) - No Y-DNA participants at this time
Descendants of Son George Guthrie (Margaret Campbell) - GFG2A match 


DNA Notes:

  • Genetic Mutation - DYS534 = 14 is common to Branches A, E, and H. The remainder of GFG2A = 15.


Research Warnings:

  • Do not confuse Robert & Bridget (Dougherty) Guthrie's son George Guthrie with George Nelson Guthrie.
  • Do not confuse James Guthrie c1710IRE-1800NC of Branch A with the son of Robert & Bridget (Dougherty) Guthrie. He is likely a brother or nephew, not the son.

BRANCH F:  Descendants of John Guthrie of CT & Abigail Coe                                                       (Cluster 1)

This branch is 1/3 of the 'Three Brothers Theory' where family stories tell that Robert Guthrie, John Guthrie, and James Guthrie of Edinburgh, Scotland came to America by way of Ireland to settle in PA and CT.
 

John Guthrie, Sr, of whom little is known, was the father of John Guthrie (c1700-1756) who married Abigail Coe in Stratford, Fairfield, CT on 11 Jun 1727. He "became an honored and wealthy citizen (of Woodbury, Litchfield, CT), owning large tracts of land in Woodbury and adjoining towns." Children: John, James, William, James (FF), Joseph (YDNA), Mary, Ephraim, Ebenezer (FF), Abigail, Sarah, and Lydia. After wife Abigail's death in 1747, John Guthrie Sr remarried to a woman named Susanna.


Lineages Associated with GFG2A Branch F

Descendants of John Guthrie c1700-1756 (Abigail Coe) of CT 

  •  This couple had 7 sons, only one of whom is represented in the Guthrie DNA Project. A descendant of son Joseph Guthrie (Elizabeth Carpenter) is a GFG2A match.

DNA Notes:
  • If you are a male Guthrie and this is your family line, please consider a Y-DNA test. We need more participation from these descendants.

Research Warnings:
The earliest generations of Branches B, F, and I involve GUTHRIE families that have been cobbled together mainly by oral tradition and regional connection rather than documentation. For example, John Guthrie was said to be the son of John Guthrie Sr who emigrated from Scotland and N.Ireland to Connecticut. He reportedly had several sons who remain unidentified.

BRANCH G:  Descendants of a Londonderry, N. Ireland Common Ancestor                                   (Cluster 2)

We don't know the identity of the man who is the father of James Guthrie & John Guthrie, but the details in their descendants' DNA, along with their close dates of birth, are highly suggestive of a sibling relationship between the two men. James Guthrie was formerly part of a theory by 'American Guthrie and Allied Families' author, Laurence R Guthrie, that included him with the Branch B family of Back Creek. Pattern markers in the DNA show that James shares a closer GFG2 ancestor with John than with Branch B. It appears that James probably came to America with an uncle or cousin's family, and that John arrived later on. James later moved to Westmoreland County, PA where John's family was living. Two of their children eventually married: William Guthrie and the widowed Elizabeth (Guthrie) Brownlee.


Lineages Associated with GFG2A Branch G:

Descendants of James Guthrie c1720-p1801PA (Jeanette Wilson Moore) 

Descendants of John Guthrie 1725IRE-1797PA (Jane Reed)


DNA Notes: 

  • Analysis of Y-DNA 111-marker tests suggest that James Guthrie (Jeanette Wilson Moore) was actually a brother to John Guthrie (Jane Reed) rather than belonging to the Guthrie-Darlington family theorized by author LRG. He appears to have been their cousin instead. Specific genetic markers found in descendants of the two lines match up. Although both are matches for the group (GFG2A), these pattern markers reveal that they share a closer common ancestor.
  • These two lineages share genetic mutations at DYS442=11 (Group Mode=12) and DYS525=20 (Group Mode=19).

Research Warnings:
DNA results show that James Guthrie and John Guthrie are very likely brothers since they had to have inherited those genetic mutations from a common source. Use caution when placing these men into the right Guthrie family.

BRANCH H:  Descendants of John Guthrie of N.IRE/PA & Ann Hill                                                  (Cluster 5)

John Guthrie was born in Northern Ireland on  29 Jun 1708. His origin story claims that he is the son of John Guthrie & Jane Stuart. DNA testing suggests that James Guthrie of Branch A and Robert Guthrie of Branch E are his brothers. This Guthrie-Stuart lineage lived in or near the City of Londonderry. John is believed to have arrived in America about 1730. He owned property in Chester County, PA. His wife's name was believed to have been Ann Hill. Children: William (YDNA), Martha Ann, Elizabeth, Mary (AncestryDNA), Ann, John, Jane, James, Marjory, and Abigail. 


Lineages Associated with GFG2A Branch H:

Descendants of Son William Guthrie (Esther McClellan) - This lineage includes a GFG2A match and a mismatch. Mismatch placed in GFG2D.
Descendants of Son John Guthrie (Margaret 'Peggy' Holmes) - No Y-DNA participants at this time
Descendants of Son James Guthrie (Sarah Love) - No known living direct male descendants


DNA Notes:

  • Genetic Mutation - DYS534 = 14 is common to Branches A, E, and H. The remainder of GFG2A = 15.


Research Warnings:

  • Although published family tradition states that John Guthrie's parents were John Guthrie & Jane Stuart, no supporting documentation has been found to date.

BRANCH I:  Descendants of James Guthrie of SCT/CT/PA & Miss_____Bissell                              (Cluster 1)

This branch is 1/3 of the 'Three Brothers Theory' where family stories tell that Robert Guthrie, John Guthrie, and James Guthrie of Edinburgh, Scotland came to America by way of Ireland to settle in PA and CT. Unfortunately, there is no documentation to prove that James Guthrie and his Bissell wife existed! There may be some confusion about this James and his son, James Guthrie, whose wife's maiden name is unknown. The Bissell family was prominent in Connecticut where Branch F resided. Testing of descendants who are supposed to be sons of the Guthrie-Bissell line have produced matches to GFG2 and non-Guthrie surname matches. 

Lineages Associated with GFG2A Branch I:

Descendants of Son James Guthrie (Ann______) - GFG2A matches.
Descendants of Son William Guthrie - No known living direct male descendants
Descendants of Son Thomas Guthrie (Mildred Howell) - GFG2A mismatches. (GFG2B) We need more Y-DNA from other descendants!
Descendants of Son Robert Guthrie (Eliza Jane Caldwell) - GFG2A mismatch. (GFG2C)


DNA Notes:

  • GFG2B: Two descendants of son Thomas Guthrie Jr (Lucy Wood) appear to have Vaughn Y-DNA. There was a Vaughn neighbor listed in the 1810 census. (GFG2B) 
  • GFG2C: One Y-DNA participant and several Family Finder (autosomal DNA) participants suggest that this mismatch likely occurred prior to Robert Guthrie's generation. This   could indicate he was 'ground zero' for an event, or that his Guthrie lineage does not belong to GFG2A at all. Mismatch placed in GFG2C.


Research Warnings:

There are some red flags for this particular family branch. Is this a family at all? There are some genetic mismatches within it. There is also lack of documentation proving a Guthrie-Bissell marriage. More DNA evidence is needed to sort out this branch and its associated lineages.

BRANCH J:  Descendants of Joseph Guthrie of N.IRE/OH/TN & Julia McCarthy                            (Cluster 4)

Joseph Guthrie was born in Ireland on 2 May 1825. Census records indicate that his father was born in Scotland and his mother in Ireland. He arrived in America in 1847 at the age of 22. He was a private in Company C 10th Ohio Infantry at the outbreak of the Civil War, while living in Cincinnati. After the war he moved to Ten Mile Stand in Meigs County, TN where he was appointed its Postmaster. He married Julia McCarthy back in Cincinnati, OH on 19 Apr 1868, and they returned to Ten Mile Stand where they lived out the rest of their days. Children: James McCarthy, Timothy Basselman (YDNA), and John Francis. 


Lineages Associated with GFG2A Branch J: 

Descendants of Son James McCarthy Guthrie (Margaret C Johnson) - No known living direct male descendants
Descendants of Son Timothy Baseman Guthrie (Sarah Lavinia Barrett) - GFG2A match
Descendants of Son John Francis Guthrie (Jalia Alberta Baldwin) - No Y-DNA participants at this time


DNA Notes:

This descendant's Y-DNA is genetically similar to the John Guthery (Lydia Baldwin) line of Branch D/Cluster 4. He has only 1 genetic variance from the group's Mode DNA. This could be a random genetic change that was unaffected by inheritance, or a sign that Branch D (John) and Branch J inherited that variance from a common ancestor. See Research Warnings below.


  • DYS504 = 25 (Group Mode = 24)



Research Warnings:
Joseph Guthrie did not come to America until the 1840s, so any common genetic ancestor with the rest of GFG2A will be found either in Ireland or further back in Scotland.

BRANCH K:  Descendants of Robert Guthrie of SC/GA & Elizabeth 'Betsy'______ (Cluster Undetermined)

Robert Guthrie or Guttery was said to be born in or near Charleston, South Carolina. It is unknown whether his father was an immigrant or was also born in America. He married Elizabeth 'Betsy' ______________ about 1770, probably in South Carolina. This couple had the following children: Leroy 'Lee', Nelly, William, Thomas, John, Elizabeth, and Molley. They moved to Georgia where Robert Guttery paid fees for over 900 acres of land in 1778. They lived in Wilkes County and Elbert County, Georgia until Robert's death in 1779.


Lineages Associated with GFG2A Branch K:

Descendants of Son Leroy 'Lee' Guttery - No Y-DNA participants at this time

Descendants of Son William Guttery - GFG2A match

Descendants of Son Thomas Guttery - No known living descendants at this time

Descendants of Son John Guttery - No Y-DNA matches. Descendants of a grandson result in 2 different Y-DNA profiles labelled GFG2E.


DNA Notes:

  • Genetic mutation at DYS561=17 is also found in all members of Branch C within the project.
  • Genetic mutation at DYS449=29 is also found in one of the Branch B descendants.


Research Warnings:

This couple was formerly believed to belong to GFG1, possibly because at least one of that group's branches headed south from Virginia into the Carolinas. DNA has proven that to be incorrect.

DEVELOPING THEORIES:

The books 'Records of the Guthrie Family, of Pennsylvania, Connecticut, and Virginia' by Harriet Nancy Dunn and Eveline Guthrie Dunn, published in 1898, and 'American Guthrie and Allied Families' by Rev Laurence Rawlin Guthrie, originally published in 1933, are excellent sources of collected family histories for Guthrie Family Group 2A. The books focus on the locations frequently settled by our Guthrie ancestors. However, mixed in with the vast amount of accurate information are a few mistakes or incorrect theories about who is related to whom. So we amatuer genealogists must do our best to discover the truth. Genetic testing has done wonders to fill out many missing blanks, but it takes collaboration between long-lost cousins to take that final journey between the known and the unknown if we are to discover the identity of our Family Tree's Progenitor.
 
Guthrie Family Group 2A has a huge number of descendants across the globe. We have known ties to Scotland, Ireland, England, Unites States of America, Canada, and Australia. Lineages in the Unites States appear to have been the result of multiple immigrations directly from Scotland or via a Scotch-Irish connection through County Derry.
 
Some of the early colonial American branches have family legends about their origins. These are detailed in the Dunn & Dunn and Laurence R Guthrie books, but are these stories true or are the facts lost to the mists of time? DNA can reveal some of the details by confirming or disproving family ties to one Guthrie Family Group or another. It can also bring to light evidence of paternal events, adoptions, name changes, and the like.
 
One thing we know is that Guthrie Family Group 2 stretches back at least as far as the late 1600s. The family legend that seems to provide a background for all of the various branches is that GFG2A descends from the Guthries of Pitforthie. However, historical notes on the Laird of Pitforthie indicate that he was a descendant of the Guthries of Guthrie. The main branch of the Guthrie line is believed to be connected to Guthrie Family Group 1 because the DNA of the Baron of Craigiebank, a descendant of the Guthries of Craigie, matches that group. Time will tell if there is anything new to be gleaned from future DNA tests on that matter.

One thing we know is that Guthrie Family Group 2 stretches back at least as far as the late 1600s. The family legend that seems to provide a background for all of the various branches is that GFG2A descends from the Guthries of Pitforthie. However, historical notes on the Laird of Pitforthie indicate that he was a descendant of the Guthries of Guthrie. The main branch of the Guthrie line is believed to be connected to Guthrie Family Group 1 because the DNA of the Baron of Craigiebank, a descendant of the Guthries of Craigie, matches that group. Time will tell if there is anything new to be gleaned from future DNA tests on that matter.
 
For now, we are simply trying to prove genetic connections back to that mysterious common ancestor, whether or not he is James Guthrie, Laird of Pitforthie. To do so, we have to look at the origins of each GFG2 branch to determine if there is a common story linking it to another branch, and examine the details of the DNA results to see if there are any patterns to be found. Pattern Markers are genetic variances that have been passed down to one or more branch from a common ancestor.