Guthrie Genealogy

GENETIC GENEALOGY of GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 2A

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 14

GUTHRIES of JOYCE DNA / OH / NY

Note that the match is with men of the Joyce surname, not Guthrie. This indicates that a paternal event or adoption in a past generation has introduced Joyce Y-DNA into this Guthrie lineage. The event would have occurred either at or before the generation of the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) of these participants.

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LINEAGES ASSOCIATED with GFG14:

Descendants of Richard Guthrie 1780NY-1851OH (Mary Van Scoyoc)

Descendants of John N Guthrie v1822 OH (Nancy Duncan)

Descendants of William Guthrie 1803NY-1853NY (Susan Wright) 

DEVELOPING THEORIES:

GEORGE NELSON GUTHRIE
Y-DNA Project Findings suggest that George Nelson Guthrie may be the common ancestor of our participants. This man is not to be confused with another man by the name of George Guthrie 1750PA-1813PA who married Margaret Campbell, or with George Guthrie 1750IRE-c1810NY who married Elizabeth Leghorn.


According to the “Guthrie Family History” by Henry Guthrie, George Nelson Guthrie was one of 5 brothers. At the time of the Revolutionary War, George Nelson Guthrie moved his family to safety, while his 4 brothers stayed behind to fight for the American cause. Two of them reportedly became high ranking. There is no documentation to indicate the identity of George Nelson Guthrie’s brothers or parents. We also do not know the dates of George Nelson Guthrie’s birth or death. This was a family of “pioneers, farmers, and distillers.” The route taken was reportedly from NY to NJ into PA and then OH. Henry’s book does indicate that Richard Guthrie 1780NY-1851OH, ancestor of project participant 173419, is the son of George Nelson Guthrie. Richard married Mary Van Scoyoc in Columbiana, OH on 11 Feb 1812. They were enumerated in census records of Richland and Ashland, OH until his 1851 death. 


John N Guthrie, ancestor of project participant 286339, is a presumed son of Samuel & Mary Guthrie who were enumerated on the same 1850 census page as John and family. Samuel is believed to be one of the sons of George Nelson Guthrie. John’s middle initial N is possibly Nelson. John had a son by the name Nelson. This family connection makes George Nelson Guthrie the Most Recent Common Ancestor of project participants 173419 and 286339. 


William Guthrie, ancestor of project participant 343026, was born in NY on 18 Jul 1803. So, his parents were still in NY by the time George Nelson Guthrie had taken his family away from the area. William remained in NY his entire life, and married in 1831 to Susan Wright in Salem, Washington County, NY. Her family was from Hebron, Washington, NY. William was a cooper by trade. 


George Nelson Guthrie does not appear to be the father of William Guthrie, but since the descendants of each share the same Y-DNA, we know that George Nelson and William share a common ancestor. We also know that William appears to be about the same age as George Nelson Guthrie’s sons. It seems very likely that William was the son of one of George Nelson Guthrie’s 4 brothers.


SEARCHING FOR WILLIAM GUTHRIE'S PARENTS
William Guthrie was born in New York on 18 July 1803. He married a woman from Hebron, Washington, NY, but their marriage occurred in Salem, Washington, NY. They lived in Washington County through the 1840s and then ended up in Livingston County, NY. These two counties are the key locations in NY for researching William Guthrie’s family.


Washington County was originally called Charlotte County, but the name was changed in 1784 to honor George Washington. Livingston County was formed from Genesee and Ontario Counties in 1821.

Washington County was originally called Charlotte County, but the name was changed in 1784 to honor George Washington. Livingston County was formed from Genesee and Ontario Counties in 1821.
 
The 1800 Washington, NY Census reveals 4 Guthrie Households: James, Samuel, Samuel Jr in Hebron, and Phebe in Argyle. 

The 1810 Washington, NY Census reveals 2 Guthrie Households: James and William in Hebron.
The 1810 Genesee, NY Census reveals 1 Guthrie Household: Nathan of Caledonia. 
The 1810 Genesee, NY Census reveals 1 Guthrie Household: Nathan of Caledonia.

All of the above households include boys under 10 years of age. 


The 1820 Washington, NY Census reveals 2 Guthrie Households: James of Hebron and Rebecca of Argyle
The 1820 Genesee, NY Census reveals 4 Guthrie Households: David and John of Leicester, Jonas of Bergen, and William Guthrie of Caledonia. 

The 1830 Washington, NY Census reveals 3 Guthrie Households: James, George, and Samuel of Hebron
The 1830 Livingston, NY Census reveals 4 Guthrie Households: James Sr, James Jr, and Robert D of York, and John of Leicester.
The 1830 Genesee, NY Census reveals 1 Guthrie Household: Jonah of Bergen. 

The 1840 Washington, NY Census reveals 3 Guthrie Households: Samuel, William, and George of Hebron.
The 1840 Livingston, NY Census reveals 5 Guthrie Households: William, Robert J and Jane of York, John of Leichester, and James of Caledonia.
The 1840 Genesee, NY Census reveals 1 Guthrie Household: Jon of Bergen. 


Looking at the entire NY Census for 1810, there are 21 Guthrie Households.


1810: Males under 10 (13 of 21 Guthrie Households in NY) – William would be about 7 years of age. Should be living at home with his parents.
Lewis Guthrie of Pompey, Onondaga, NY
Benjamin Guthrie of Smyrna, Chenango, NY
Eben Guthrie of Genoa, Cayuga, NY
James Guthrie of Hebron, Washington, NY
John Guthrie of Sherburne, Chenango, NY
John Guthrie of Locke, Cayuga, NY
Joseph Guthrie of Sherburne, Chenango, NY
Samuel Guthrie of Smyrna, Chenango, NY
William Guthrie of Jericho, Chenango, NY
L Guthrie of Smithfield, Madison, NY
Samuel Guthrie of NY Ward, NY, NY
Benjamin Guthrie of New Castle, Westchester, NY 
Nathan Guthrie of Caledonia, Genesee, NY 


1820: Males 16-25 (14 of 27 Guthrie Households in NY) – William would be about 17 years of age. Probably living at home with his parents.
Jonas Guthery of Bergen, Genesee County, NY
John Guthrie of Norwich, Chenango, NY
Abel Guthrie of Augusta, Oneida, NY
Benjamin Guthrie of Smyrna, Chenango, NY
Henry Guthrie of Greene, Chenango, NY incl a male 16-18
James Guthrie of Hebron, Washington, NY incl a male 16-18
James Guthrie of Galway, Saratoga, NY Lewis Guthrie of Cicero, Onondaga, NY
Rebecca Guthrie of Argyle, Washington, NY
Sarah Guthrie of Bainbridge, Chenango, NY
Abraham Guter of Oppenheim, Montgomery, NY
James Guthrie of Southampton, Suffolk, NY
John Guthrie of Sherburne, Chenango, NY 
Rufus Guthrie of Southold, Suffolk, NY 


1830: Males 20-29 (13 of 37 Guthrie Households in NY) – William would be about 27, but might not be living at home with his parents.
Joseph Guthrie of Sherburne, Chenango, NY
Abel Guthrie of Augusta, Oneida, NY
Justus S Guthrie of Sherburne, Chenango, NY (HOH)
Lohman Guthrie of Ogden, Monroe, NY
Edwin Guthrie of Hounsfield, Jefferson, NY (HOH)
George Guthrie of Hebron, Washington, NY (HOH)
John Guthrie of Groton, Tompkins, NY
Samuel Guthrie of Hounsfield, Jefferson, NY
Samuel Guthrie of Hebron, Washington, NY
Simeon Guthrie of Trenton, Oneida, NY
Alfred Guthrie of Hounsfield, Jefferson, NY
David Gutter of Bovina, Delaware, NY 
James J Guttery of Bovina, Delaware, NY 


Are any of these Guthrie Households located near a Joyce/Joice Family Household around 1800-1810?

The 1800 NY Census includes 8 Joyce/Joice Households, none in our key counties.
The 1810 NY Census includes 18 Joyce/Joice Households, none in our key counties. 


Are any of these Guthrie Households located near Susan Wright’s family about 1830?
Her parents were Jehiel Joseph Wright and Lydia Jenkins.

There are Joseph Wright households in both Hebron and Salem in Washington County, NY in 1830. There are no Guthrie Households listed on the same page or either the preceeding or following pages for either township. However, there are a couple of Nelson Households listed on the preceeding page for 1830 Hebron, Washington, NY. 


FUTURE DNA TESTING
If William Guthrie is indeed a nephew of George Nelson Guthrie, or any indirect relationship, it means that George was not the only Guthrie of his generation to possess Joyce/Joice DNA. At minimum, he would have had to have 1 Guthrie sibling with the same DNA. Either an example of 2 paternal events within the same generation or an adoption of multiple children. Another likely reason is that the father of George Nelson Guthrie also carried Joyce/Joice Y-DNA and passed it on to his son. If this is the case, then we presume that all 4 of George Nelson Guthrie’s brothers would also have the Joyce/Joice Y-DNA, and that the originating paternal event or adoption would have been in earlier generations, most likely in Ireland. Future DNA Tests of Guthrie men might reveal new matches to the Joyce/Joice DNA providing us with more clues about their Irish and NY origins. Neither of Group 8’s participants have done Family Finder Testing.