Guthrie Genealogy

GENETIC GENEALOGY of GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 2A

James Guthrie & Elizabeth Eilor

GFG2A - BRANCH C - CLUSTER 3

James Guthrie

Son of Samuel Guthrie & Margaret Knox (Theoretical Relationship)

Born: Before 1766, possibly 1758-1765.

Location: Possibly Delaware (or Scotland or Pennsylvania)

Marriage: 1785-1788, possibly in Fayette County, Pennsylvania

Died: 1812-1815

Location: Unknown

Buried: Unknown

Elizabeth Eilor

Daughter of (Unknown) Eilor

Born: 1761-1770

Location: Unknown, Possibly Germany, Virginia or Pennsylvania

Sons: James, William, Edmund, Robert

Daughters: Polly, Betsey, Hannah, Catherine, Sarah, Margaret

Died: 1840-1850

Location: Tyler/Wetzel, Virginia (Later West Virginia)

Buried: Unknown

THE HIGHLIGHTS:

BEFORE 1770: BIRTHS of JAMES GUTHRIE and ELIZABETH EILOR
There are only a few census records available to estimate their DOB. For James Guthrie, we have only 2 possible census entries, one in Fayette, Pennsylvania in 1790 and one in Monongalia, Virginia in 1810. There were Branch B Guthries living in Fayette, Pennsylvania during the 1790s, but the men of that line named James are already accounted for in their respective townships. Laurence R. Guthrie (LRG) in his book 'American Guthrie and Allied Families' p.456, names this man as "James Guthrie of Fayette County, PA". This same source indicates that James was born about 1750.

The latest Origin Theory for this Guthrie branch suggests that the family came from Delaware before spreading out to parts of Pennsylvania. Traditional research and genetic comparisons are required, but a preliminary look suggests that a link is possible. If so, James was born 1758-1765, and his parents were Samuel Guthrie & Margaret Knox of New Castle, Delaware.

Elizabeth's surname has been seen with a number of variants: Eilor, Aylar, Eilar, Iler, Ilor. Thus far her parents have not been identified. So it is only through the later census records that we can identify her and get an idea of her actual DOB. In 1790, sometime after her marriage to James, she is listed as "16 & Up", so born before 1774. In 1810, before 1776. In 1830, she is listed as 60-70, so her DOB would be 1760-1770.

1776 MAP of PENNSYLVANIA COUNTY FORMATIONS
In 1776, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Connecticut all claimed territorial rights over the same section of land. The Guthrie branches of the MD/PA Group seem to be caught right in the middle of that territory, which includes Westmoreland and Monongalia Counties. Virginia's Monongalia County overlaps with Connecticut's Westmoreland County, part or all of which is located within the modern territorial borders of Pennsylvania. All three states make an effort to colonize the area.

1784 MAP of PENNSYLVANIA COUNTY FORMATIONS
Connecticut is no longer in the picture. Pennsylvania & Virginia continue to have overlapping borders. Westmoreland County, PA is divided and Fayette County, PA is formed. Fayette encompasses part of the territory claimed by Virginia as Monongalia County. It is not until 1786 that Virginia finalizes its border with Pennsylvania. The area that was Monongalia, Virginia north of the PA-VA border ceases to exist as a county and is absorbed into the PA county borders. 

 

1785-1788: MARRIAGE of JAMES GUTHRIE & ELIZABETH EILOR
I have found no actual marriage record for this couple. It is believed that they married in Fayette, Pennsylvania, but that might depend on whether the James Guthrie of the 1790 census in Fayette is actually this one. So all we have for the moment is speculation. 

1789: BIRTH of SON, JAMES GUTHRIE JR
James was born about 1789. Consider it an estimate based on the 1790 census where the family, if it is this one, is listed with 1M<16. This DOB is also listed in LRG's book p.456. James married Louisa Rebecca Naylor on 22 Jan 1823 in Morgantown, Monongalia, Virginia. By 1830 they were living in Center, Monroe, Ohio. 2 sons and 6 daughters. James died 20 Nov 1845 and Louisa in 1884. James is supposed to be buried in Egger Ridge Cemetery, but no stone has been found. He may be in an unmarked grave. Louisa is buried in Pioneer Cemetery in Woodsfield, Monroe County, Ohio.

There is currently no DNA Project representative for James & Louisa's line. We really need a participant! James' family reported the connection to this generation and the one before it. See Branch C: Origin Theories. A descendant claimed to have had a letter listing the ancestral line, but the document is missing.

1790: CENSUS of UNION, FAYETTE, PENNSYLVANIA
The Household of James Guttery: 1 1 1 * *
1M 16 & UP (born before 1774), 1M<16 (1775-1790), 1F 16 & UP (born before 1774).

The fact that James is living in Union, Fayette, Pennsylvania is potentially significant. The Branch B Guthries had connections to Fayette County as well. Could it be that a common ancestor exists for Branches B & C on this side of the Atlantic? The origin story for Branch C suggests that James and/or his father were immigrants directly from Scotland. More information is needed before that can be determined.

1790: BIRTH of SON, ROBERT GUTHRIE
Robert was born around 1790, probably in Fayette County, Pennsylvania. He married Castilla Simpson. They lived in Monongalia, Tyler & Wetzel, Virginia. The latter became Wetzel, WV in 1864. 9 sons and 1 daughter. This line is represented in the DNA Project by Clarence R. Guthrie, Gregory Scott Guthrie, & William Leroy Guthrie.

1790-1800: BIRTH of SON, EDMUND GUTHRIE
Edmund is a presumed son of James & Elizabeth. He is not listed in LRG, p.456, unless it is as 'Edward', but has ties to the Sapp family that suggest a link to Branch C Guthries. Edmund and Edward's names are virtually interchangeable when examining original documents, so the Edward mentioned in LRG as a son of James & Elizabeth could easily be Edmund instead. This line is represented in the DNA Project by Daryl W. Guthrie.

Edmund was born between 1790-1800. If the son of James & Elizabeth it would've been in Fayette, Pennsylvania. He married Elizabeth Sapp, the sister of Benjamin Franklin Sapp who married Sarah Guthrie, one of James & Elizabeth's daughters, and who was also mentioned in Court Records with Robert Guthrie. Edmund and his wife Elizabeth had 6 sons and 1 daughter. Edmund Guthrie died sometime between 1834-36. He drowned while trying to ford the Monongalia River. 

1790-1810: BIRTHS of OTHER SONS & DAUGHTERS, WILLIAM & EDWARD GUTHRIE, and CATHERINE, HANNAH, POLLY, & BETSY GUTHRIE
LRG lists these children on p.456, but provides no additional information on any of them. Edward might actually be Edmund (above). There might be websites out there with more detailed info. If so, let me know.

1797: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, SARAH GUTHRIE
Thanks to her long life we probably know more about Sarah than many of her other siblings. She was born 19 July 1797 in Fayette County, Virginia. She married at 19 to Benjamin Franklin Sapp. They had 16 children: 11 sons and 5 daughters. They lived in Monongalia, Marion & Preston, Virginia. These later became West Virginia. She died in Preston, West Virginia of Diptheria on 4 Oct 1877. She is buried in the Weaver-Sapp Cemetery.

  

1800: CENSUS of FAYETTE COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA

There are no Guthrie households listed for Union, Fayette, PA in 1800 and there is no existing 1800 VA census, so we have to look at land records to try to determine when this Guthrie family moved from Fayette to Monongalia. The process is complicated by a second James Guthrie (m. Mary Shelps) living in Monongalia County during the same period. This James Guthrie (m. Elizabeth Eilor) lived in the part that remained Monongalia. The other James Guthrie (m. Mary Shelps) lived in the part that became Preston in 1818.

1800: PROPERTY RECORDS of MONONGALIA COUNTY, VIRGINIA (Purchase)
Godfrey & Leah Wagner to JAMES GUTHRIE. 100 acres adj JOHN SAPP, Joseph Brandon & John Harader, part of a 200a tract. Consideration 100L. Ack Oct 1800.
This entry is likely to belong to Branch C's James Guthrie. The combination of the surnames Guthrie & Sapp in the same document puts them in a tight geographic area.

1803: COURT RECORDS of MONONGALIA COUNTY, VIRGINIA (Jury Duty)
Incl. James and Edward Guthrie: "We the grand jury find present the following persons, freeholders...for failing to vote or offer a vote @ an election held to choose representation at court in April 1803."
Did James have a brother named Edward? Or is one or both of these men affiliated to the other James Guthrie in the County? It is too early to be either of James' sons.

1804: COURT RECORDS of MONONGALIA COUNTY, VIRGINIA (Defendant)
Summoned to answer to a Bill in Chancery exhibited against him by Absalom Severns (see 1798 Property Purchase)

1806: PROPERTY RECORDS of MONONGALIA COUNTY, VIRGINIA (Witness)
James Guthrie witness to a deed on 19 March 1806.

1808: COURT RECORDS of MONONGALIA COUNTY, VIRGINIA
James Webster, JAMES GUTHRIE, & Absalom Brandon summoned as garnishees to declare what they have in their hands of the property of William Webster. Oct Term 1808. (Salt)

Disposition of a road being laid out. "...Big Sandy Creek...below the mouth of Parker's Run...to Reem's Ford on Muddy Creek going thru the land of Capt John Davis, also land of JAMES GUTTRY & land of Jacob Feathers." 

Note: The first entry about William Webster's salt could be either James Guthrie. The second almost certainly belongs to the other James Guthrie. Big Sandy Creek is in what is now Preston, WV.

1809: COURT RECORDS of MONONGALIA COUNTY, VIRGINIA (Witness)
JAMES GUTHRIE witnessed a note on 28 Oct 1809. 

Late fees due the court; includes JAMES GUTHRIE.

1810 CENSUS RECORDS of MONONGALIA COUNTY, VIRGINIA
There are 2 Households for men by the name of James Guthrie with the second one being the closer match for Branch C's James.

Jas Gutery: 1M 45+(Before 1766), 1F26-44 (1766-1784), 3M&1F 10-15 (1795-1800), 1M&2F<10 (1800-1810) = 9 Total

and

Jas Guthrie:   1M&1F 45+ (Before 1776), 1M 16-25 (1785-1794), 3M & 1F 10-15 (1795-1800) , 3M & 2F <10 (1800-1810) = 12 Total 

1812-1815 War of 1812
James died either during or soon after the War of 1812. A birth range of 1750-1786 would put him in his late 40s or 50s during the war. Unknown if he participated in it as his sons did. 

The Monongalia entries between 1812 and 1818 could be this James, James Jr or the other Monongalia man.

1812: COURT RECORDS of MONONGALIA COUNTY, VIRGINIA (Tithable List)
JAMES GUTHREY: 3WM>18, 5horses/colts/mares/mules 

1812: BIRTH of a DAUGHTER, MARGARET GUTHRIE
Margaret was born about 1812. She married Robert Lyons and they emigrated to Monroe County, Ohio. Her brother James had also settled in Monroe with his family. Margaret & Robert had 4 sons and 7 daughters. Margaret died in 1889 in Hannibal, Monroe, Ohio. 

1813: COURT RECORDS of MONONGALIA COUNTY, VIRGINIA (Tithable List)
Charles Burn's Tithable List: JAMES GUTHRIE: 3WM>18, 4 horses/colts/mares/mules 

District of Rawley Martin: JAMES GUTTREGE, exempt, 2horses/colts/mares/mules

1814: COURT RECORDS of MONONGALIA COUNTY, VIRGINIA (Testimony)
James Guthrie & others summoned to testify on behalf of Absolem Brandon, 11 Apr, 13 Jul & 19 Sep 1814.

Note that Absolom Brandon was mentioned back in 1808. 

1815: COURT RECORDS of MONONGALIA COUNTY, VIRGINIA
The following two entries suggest that James Guthrie was definitely dead by 1815 (or had left the area completely).

JAMES GUTREY (not found) summoned to testify in behalf of John Basnett, 19 Mar & 27 July 1815 

Delinquent Taxes in Commissioner R. Martin's district 1814 includes JAMES GUTTREY. 

1818:  VIRGINIA COUNTY FORMATIONS
Preston County was created from Monongalia County effectively splitting it into 2 halves, the western half remaining Monongalia.

1820: CENSUS of MONONGALIA COUNTY, VIRGINIA
During this census year the county was divided into the "Western District" and the "Eastern District". Presumably, the latter is what later became Preston County. Our Guthries should be living in the Western District of Monongalia. Unfortunately, due to a strange census error the entire "G" section of the district census was left out. This is consistent across multiple copies, so it could possibly be an error by the original census taker.  

An examination of the Tyler County, VA records shows the presence of 1 Guthrie household: William Guthrie 1M & 1F 45+ (<1775), 1F<10 (1811-1820) 

1830: CENSUS of TYLER COUNTY, VIRGINIA
The Household of Elizabeth Guthrie:  1F 60-70 (b.1760-1770), 1F 10-20.
Elizabeth is listed next to the household of Robert Guthrie, but the census is written in alphabetical order and not by neighborhood. 

1840: CENSUS of TYLER COUNTY, VIRGINIA
The Household of Robert Lyons: 1M30-40(1800-1810), 1F20-30 (1810-1820), 2M&1F5-10 (1830-1835), 2M<5 (1835-1840), 1F 60-70 (1770-1780). This older female is possibly Elizabeth (Eilor) Guthrie, Margaret's widowed mother.

1840-1850: DEATH of ELIZABETH EILOR GUTHRIE
Elizabeth probably died between 1840-1850. She is not living with Margaret & Robert Lyons in 1850, nor can I find her named on the census. She likely died between 1840-1850 in Tyler or Wetzel County, Virginia. Tyler became Wetzel in 1846.