Guthrie Genealogy

GENETIC GENEALOGY of GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 2A

BRANCH J:   JOSEPH GUTHRIE & JULIA MCCARTHY

ORIGIN THEORY:

Despite being the most recently-born branch progenitor compared to all others in our group, Joseph Guthrie's origins are something of a mystery. 


According to the census records, his father was born in Scotland and his mother in Ireland, so the time this branch of the family spent in Ireland is very short. There is also no guarantee that Joseph's father came to the same area of Ireland/Northern Ireland where Guthries with the same Group 2 ancestry were living. Joseph's parents were most likely married in Ireland/Northern Ireland.


We know that Joseph was born in Ireland in 1825. 


Irish records for the timeframe of 1790-1847 seem to be fairly minimal. We should look for all Guthrie marriage records for the years 1790-1825 to see if any location information can be narrowed down in our search for Joseph's birth location.


Census records reveal that Joseph Guthrie immigrated to America from Ireland in 1847. This is a key period of immigration due to the Irish Potato Famine. 

THE DNA PROJECT:   Guthrie Family Group 2A - Branch J - Cluster 4

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 2A: Cluster 4 - Branch J

Ancestors of DNA Project Participant: Timothy Barrett Guthrie III

The first 67 markers of Tim's 111-marker Y-DNA test have been resulted. He is a 67/67 match with Mode DNA. 111/111 Mode DNA is associated only with the Cluster 1 branches B & F. Mode DNA at 67/67 additionally matches several other branches. It is only through a few pattern markers found within the last 44 markers that further separation of the branches occur.

Tim's family line is unique to our group in that he has no known ancestors born prior to Joseph Guthrie in 1825 Ireland.This means that he cannot be a descendant of any of our existing Group 2A branches. Instead, he has a common ancestor at some point on the tree. Since his ancestor Joseph's father was born in Scotland, that common ancestor was most likely from Scotland, too.

UPDATE: 10/2013

Markers 68-111 show a single variance compared to Mode DNA. It is found at DYS715 = 25 (instead of 24). This genetic marker is shared by 2 other participants: LKDG & HLG of Branch D, whose furthest proven ancestors are John Guthery & Lydia Baldwin. Tim, Lon and Howard match each other 111/111 markers. The most recent common ancestor of these 3 men most likely lived in Scotland in the late 1600s - early 1700s.  

                       

HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS:

There is no current published family history or biographical sketch yet discovered that reveals the migration details of this Guthrie family from Scotland to Ireland to America. 

What can be inferred from the existing records is that Joseph Guthrie's father emigrated from Scotland to Ireland, married in Ireland, and started his family there. The exact location in Ireland is unknown. Several of the other Group2 branches point to Londonderry as their Northern Irish residence. However, there is no guarantee that this branch moved to the same location as their more distant cousins.

Although we cannot know exactly why Joseph Guthrie, at age 22, chose to leave Ireland for America in 1847, we do know that the period between 1845-1849 was the Great Potato Famine. in fact, 1847 was the peak year for mortality during the Irish Potato Famine. {Article by James H Johnson: 'The Population of Londonderry During the Great Irish Famine'} 

"Over one million went to the U.S., landing mostly in New York City," indicates a Historical Summary of Ireland site. "The potato crop of 1846 was a near complete failure. The Whigs refused further corn shipments, prices returned to higher levels, and the poor began to starve. Disease struck those who desperately ate raw seafood. Workhouses swelled and public works became a national hardship -- the starving forced to work on un-needed roads and fences, outdoors in the horrible winter of 1846/47. Angering the impoverished most was that grain exports which, although half of their normal size, continued to leave Ireland, with no attempt by the British government to use them to feed Ireland. Food was still available at market, though at three times last year's prices. In the spring of 1847, public works, already falling below starvation wages, were stopped altogether. With poor streaming into the remaining filthy and disease ridden workhouses, so began the year called Black '47." 

It is easy to see why Joseph Guthrie left Ireland for America in 1847. Whether he came alone or with family members is unknown at this time. New York seems to be the most likely Port of Entry to the U.S., but it is not the only one.

At the outbreak of the Civil War in 1861, Joseph Guthrie was living in or near Cincinnati, Hamilton County, OH where he joined hundreds of other young men by enlisting in military service. He joined the Company C of the 10th Ohio Infantry. They were stationed for a time at Camp Dennison, depicted below in an etching by Frank Leslie, and published that year in Leslie's Illustrated Weekly.

After the war, Joseph Guthrie moved to Ten Mile Stand in Meigs County, Tennessee. He seems to have returned to Cincinnati where he married Julia McCarthy, and they kept their home at Ten Mile Stand.

More highlights and a timeline can be found on the Branch J: Joseph Guthrie & Julia McCarthy ancestor page. 

 


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