Guthrie Genealogy

GENETIC GENEALOGY of GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 2A

BRANCH L:   GEORGE GUTHRIE & MARGARET WALKER

ORIGIN THEORY:

The introduction of this line to GFG2A gives us an Irish-Canadian-American connection.


At this point we know very little about George Guthrie's family origins. Research is needed to gather more details on this branch of our tree.


Census records indicate that George Guthrie was born in Ireland.


Although the majority of the Y-DNA matches for GFG2A at Y37, Y67, and Y111 are to men of the Guthrie surname, we do have a few who, for unknown/unproven reasons, also match our group Y-DNA. One of those matches is to a man of the FORD surname who had traced his ancestry back to Patrick Ford in New Brunswick, Canada.


An exploration of his family tree reveals that his genetic family was that of George Guthrie & Margaret Walker. At George's death, Margaret married John B. Ford. Her youngest child, son John Francis Guthrie, assumed the Ford surname of his stepfather.

The DNA PROJECT:   Guthrie Family Group 2A - Branch L - Undetermined Cluster

Ancestors of ____Ford (Y-DNA Match to GFG2A Project Members)


This man tested at the Y-37 marker level. 


Compared to the group's Mode DNA Results, he has 2 genetic mutations / has been listed as a Genetic Distance of 2.


No direct comparison of the raw DNA can be made at this time as the Ford kit is not officially attached to the project.

HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS:

c1830: BIRTH of GEORGE GUTHRIE


A single census record from 1870 reveals that George Guthrie was born in Ireland. Being a GFG2A Guthrie, it might be safe to assume that to be Northern Ireland.


Census records list his middle initial as either "C" or "K".


c1838 BIRTH of MARGARET WALKER


Based on Canadian and American census records, we know that Margaret was born in England.


1848: MARGARET WALKER IMMIGRATES to NORTH AMERICA


The US census indicates that Margaret Walker came to the US (or at least emigrated from England) in or about 1848. She would have been about 9 years old at the time.


1847 - 1850: GEORGE GUTHRIE IMMIGRATES to NORTH AMERICA


We do not know the exact date or location of George's immigration. There are a couple of possible records.


In 1847, a GEORGE GUTHERIE arrived in St. John, New Brunswick. {Source: Baker, Dessie, Editor: Emigrants from Derry Port, 1847-49. Apollo, PA: Clossen Press, 1985. 107p. page 11.}


On 12 Mar 1850, New York, New York, a GEORGE GUTHERY, 20, servant, born in Ireland, arrived on the ship Excelsior.


George Guthrie has not been located in the census records of Canada or the United States in 1850/1851 or 1860/1861. Their daughter Evas was born in Vermont in 1861, so it is certain that his immigration date was no later than 1859-1860.


1851: CENSUS of CANADA EAST, CANADA WEST, NEW BRUNSWICK and NOVA SCOTIA


St Georges de Clarenceville, Rouville County, Canada East (Quebec), Canada


This seems to be a good possibility. St. Georges de Clarenceville is directly across the Canadian border from Alburg, Vermont where Margaret Walker was living in 1860.


This census page is a list of "inmates" (residents of the town), which is not specifically divided into households. However, family names do appear to be clustered together. Margaret is the only one of the Walker surname on the list. Age. 14, Born: England, Religion: Episcopalian. The people listed immediately above and below her, which might infer an association, are of the Billings surname:

Ostia Ann Billings (no occupation listed) Born United States, Religion: Unitarian, Age: 52, Female

Oscar F Billings, Teacher, Born: Canada, Religion: Unitarian, Age: 30, Male

Margaret Walker (no occupation listed) Born England, Religion: Episcopalian, Age: 14, Female

Miranda Billings, Teacher, Born Canada, Religion: Episcopalian, Age: 22, Female


1860: CENSUS of ALBURG, GRAND ISLE, VERMONT


Grand Isle is located directly across the US-CANADIAN border from Quebec.


MARGARET WALKER is listed as a 21 year old mulatto working as a domestic servant in the household of David Marvin. Her birthplace is listed as England.


This census record is the first indication that Margaret Walker likely has some African ancestry. Being born in England, the history of the slave trade and the abolition of slavery follows a different timeline than that of the United States. In 1778, slavery was made illegal in Scotland. The first bill for the abolition of the slave trade failed in 1790. The House of Lords rejected a bill passed by the House of Commons in 1792. The British Parliament abolished transatlantic slave trading on 25 March 1807, but this did not apply to all of its territories. Finally, in 1833, the Abolition of Slavery Act was passed by the British Parliament applying to all British territories. Abraham Lincoln issued his Emancipation Proclamation in 1863. It was not until 1865 that the United States Congress would pass the 13th amendment to the Constitution to abolish slavery in the USA. 


c1860: PRESUMED MARRIAGE of GEORGE GUTHRIE & MARGARET WALKER


Margaret had been listed by her maiden name in the Vermont census of 1860. Daughter Evas was born there 12 May 1861.


1861: BIRTH OF DAUGHTER - EVAS CAROLINA GUTHRIE


Evas Caroline Guthrie was born in Alburgh, Grand Isle Vermont on 12 May 1861. Her race is listed as 'white'. Parents are identified by the town clerk on a birth record: George C. Guthrey, born Ireland, farmer; Margaret (no surname listed), born England, residing in Alburgh.

Evan remained single. She lived in Hopkinson, Saint Lawrence County, and Dickinson, Franklin County, New York, and finally settled in St. Regis Falls, Franklin, New York. She was a member of the Tribune Sunshine Society. In later years her heath declined and she was the recipient of donations or presents by local church & charity groups. The Adirondack News published her responses:


1 Aug 1914 St Regis Falls, Franklin, NY:

"I wish to thank the ladies and gentlemen of Mrs M.A. Rowell's Sunday school class for the proceeds from their ice cream social, which amounted to $9.00, and also the Rev. N.A. Darling and Mrs Fletcher for their silver offerings. God is merciful to his own."


1 Jan 1916 St Regis Falls, Franklin, NY:

"Miss Evas C Guthrie, who has been an invalid for many years desires to extend her thanks to the Epworth League for the Christmas Box presented to her the night before Christmas. She was more than delighted and feels very grateful for their thoughtfulness."


Evas Caroline Guthrie died at St Regis on 8 Jun 1916.


1863: BIRTH of DAUGHTER - MARY ANN GUTHRIE


The second child was named Mary Ann Guthrie, born in May of 1863. She married Darwin Johnson in 1885. They had 2 daughters: Jennie L Johnson and Blanch D Johnson.


The Ogdensburg Journal dated 4 Octobert 1910 mentions her passing. She was only 47. 


"Mrs Darwin Johnson and Mrs Charles Barnes, of whom mention was made in this paper as being seriously ill, passed away Saturday, Sept. 17th. Much sympathy is expressed for their sorrowing relatives."


1864: BIRTH OF DAUGHTER - WEALTHA JANE GUTHRIE


Born in New York State on 8 Aug 1864. Listed with the family in census records for 1870 and 1880, I have not been able to locate her for 1900 or 1910. Her date of death is listed as 13 July 1916 in St Regis Falls, NY.


1867: BIRTH of DAUGHTER - CALISTA ROSETTIE GUTHRIE


Calista was born on 17 Sep 1867 in New York State. She was listed with the family in the 1870 Hopkinson and 1880 Dickinson censuses. She died at the age of 28 on 19 December 1895 in Waverley, Franklin, New York.


1870: CENSUS of HOPKINTON, SAINT LAWRENCE, NEW YORK, USA


George K Guthery, 40, M, Race: W, laborer, born: Ireland, father and mother of foreign birth, cannot read, cannot write

Margaret Guthery, 31, F, Race: B, keeping house, born: England, father and mother of foreign birth

Eva Guthery, 9, F, Race: M, born: Vermont, father and mother of foreign birth, attended school within the year

Mary A Guthery, 7, F, Race: M, born: New York, father and mother of foreign birth, attended school within the year

Wealtha J Guthery, 4, F, Race: M, born: New York, father and mother of foreign birth, attended school within the year

Calista Guthery, 2, F, Race: M, born: New York, father and mother of foreign birth


1870: BIRTH of DAUGHTER - LILLIAN MARTHA GUTHRIE


Daughter Lillian Martha Guthrie was born in Hopkinson, St Lawrence, New York on 9 September 1870 (or Sept 1871 St Regis Falls, Franklin, NY). When she was about 19 years old, Philip P Schuyler (1889-1939) was born. He is most likely Lillian's son.  At about age 24, Lillian had a son, Edwin Julian Guthrie (1894-1957). The boys lived with their grandparents until adulthood. Sometime prior to 1915, Lillian married Alfred Azro Palmer (1857-1918) who worked as a fireman at a mill. After her husband's death, Lillian was listed as the head of household during the 1920 census in Waverly, Franklin, New York, and was living with her son Edwin and his family, and Phillip. The Adirondack News has several entries noting Mrs Lillian Palmer visiting Julian Guthrie's family placing her residences at the time in either Tupper Lake or Malone. Lillian died on 16 October 1951 in Amsterdam, Montgomery, New York. Her obituary does not clear up the question of whether or not Philip was her son. He died in 1939.


1873: BIRTH of SON - JOHN FRANCIS GUTHRIE


The youngest child of George & Margaret (Walker) Guthrie, John Francis was born on 26 Nov 1873. It is unknown if his father George died before or after his birth. His mother Margaret remarried before the 1880 census and John Francis is then listed as John F. Foard (Ford) even though the daughters are still listed as Guthrie. From that time John Francis Guthrie continued to use the Ford surname, explaining why his direct male descendant goes by the name of Ford, but possesses Guthrie Y-DNA.


John Francis Guthrie married Dora E Emlaw in 1899. They lived in Waverly, Franklin, New York, and had 5 sons: Frank Harold, Lawrence D, William E, Alley J, and Manfred A., and 2 daughters: Margaret, and Ethel. John died on 24 March 1926. His obituary was published in 'The Malone Farmer' on 31 Mar 1926, and in 'The Adirondack News' on 8 Apr 1926.


1873-1875


This is a rough estimate for George Guthrie's death. He was alive for the conception of his son, John Francis Guthrie, but most likely dead by 1875 when the family is listed in the New York State census without him.


1875: CENSUS of NEW YORK STATE


Town of Dickinson, Franklin County, New York

Dwelling 100, Log, Value:000, Family No.122

Margaret Guthrie, 34, F, Race: B, (Head), Born: England, Marital Status: Now Married, Day Laborer, Alien, >21not able to read/write

Evas C Guthrie, 14, F, Race: B, daughter, Born: Vermont, Single

Mary Ann Guthrie, 12, Race: B, daughter, Born: St Lawrence, Single

Wealthy J Guthrie, 9, Race: B, daughter, Born: St Lawrence, Single

Calista R Guthrie, 7, Race: B, daughter, Born: St Lawrence, Single

Martha L Guthrie, 4, Race: (blank), daughter, Born: St Lawrence, Single

John Francis Guthrie, 1, Race: (blank), son, Born: Franklin, Single


1875-1880: MARRIAGE of MARGARET (WALKER) GUTHRIE & JOHN B. FORD


No marriage record found so far. John Ford's family originally appears to be from Ireland, but had settled in New Brunswick, Canada. They had moved to Potsdam, Saint Lawrence, New York when he was just a boy, and were living there by the 1850 census. John was a Civil War soldier joining the Union Army as a private in Company B, New York 16th Infantry Regiment. He had enlisted on 15 May 1861 and was mustered out on 11 Dec 1862. He received a pension, and Margaret later received a widow's pension.


1880: CENSUS of DICKINSON, FRANKLIN, NEW YORK


John B. Foard, white, male, 38, (Head), married, Farmer, Born: Canada, Father: Ireland, Mother: Canada

Margret Foard, black, female, 39, married, Keeping House, Born: England, Father: Africa, Mother: England

John F. Foard, mulatto, male, 6, son, single, Born: New York, Father: Canada, Mother: England

Guthrie, Evas C, mulatto, female, 19, boarder, single, Born: Vermont, Father: Ireland, Mother: England

Guthrie, Mary A, mulatto, female, 17, boarder, single, Born: New York, Father: Ireland, Mother: England

Guthrie, Wealtha J, mulatto, female, 15, boarder, single, Born: New York, Father: Ireland, Mother: England

Guthrie, Calista, mulatto, female, 12, boarder, single, at school, Born: New York, Father: Ireland, Mother: England

Guthrie, Lillie, mulatto, female, 9, boarder, single, at school, Born: New York, Father: Ireland, Mother: England

Clark, Hiram, white, male, 22, single, laborer, Born: New York, Father: Vermont, Mother: Vermont

Hanly, John, white, male, 24, single, laborer, Born: Ireland, Father: Ireland, Mother: Ireland


This census suggests that John B. Ford either believed John F. Ford was his natural son, or that he and Margaret planned to raise John as such.


1897: DEATH of JOHN B FORD


Margaret's second husband, John B. Ford, died on 27 Sep 1897 at St Regis Falls, Franklin County, New York. He is buried at Forest Cemetery in Waverly. Margaret outlived him by another 13 years. 


1900: CENSUS of ST REGIS FALLS, WAVERLY, FRANKLIN, NEW YORK


John Ford, head, white, male, Nov 1873, 26, married 1yr, Born: New York, Father: Nova Scotia, Mother: England, Farmer

Dora Ford, wife, white, female, Jan 1883, 17, married 1yr, no children living/dead, Born: New York, Father: New York, Mother: New York

Margaret Ford, mother, (a B is overwritten with a W), female, Apr 1839, 61, widowed, 8 children 5 living, Born: England, Father: Africa, Mother: England, immigration year 1848, years in US: 52, housework

Evas Ford, sister, white, female, May 1861, 39, single, no children, Born: Vermont, Father: New York (not IRE), Mother: England, seamstress

Lillie Ford, sister, white, female, Sep 1871, 28, single, no children (instead of 1 or 2), Born: New York, Father: New York (not IRE) Mother: ENG, housework

Phillip Schuyler, nephew, (a B is overwritten with a W), male, June 1889 10, Born: New York, Father: New York, Mother: New York, at school

Julian Ford, nephew, white, male, Mar 1894, 6, Born: New York, Father: New York, Mother: New York


1905: CENSUS of NEW YORK STATE


Election District One

Santa Clara Road, Waverly, Franklin, New York

John Ford, head, (W overwritten with a B), male, 37, Born: USA, farmer

Dora Ford, wife, white, female, 27, Born: USA, housework 

Frank Ford, son, black, male, 5, USA

Margaret Ford, daughter, black, female, 2, USA

Lawrence Ford, son, black, male, 1, USA

Evas Guthrie, sister, black, female, 47, USA, at home

Phillip Schuyler, nephew, black, male, 15, USA, laborer at mill

Margaret Ford, mother, black, female, 66, England, 56 years in USA

Julian Guthrie, nephew, black, male, 11, USA, at school


1910: CENSUS of WAVERLY, FRANKLIN, NEW YORK


Dickinson Center Road

Margaret Ford, head, female, black, 72, widowed, 8children/6 living, Born: England, Father: Africa, Mother: England, Imm: 1849, Cannot Read/Write

Evas Guthrie, daughter, female, mulatto, 48, single, Born: Vermont, Father: Ireland, Mother: England

Julian Guthrie, grandson, male, mulatto, 16, single, Born: New York, Father: New York, Mother: New York, laborer at stove mill

Phillip Schuyler, grandson, male, mulatto, 20, single, Born: New York, Father: New York, Mother: New York, culler at lumber yard


1910: DEATH of MARGARET (WALKER) GUTHRIE FORD


Margaret died on 6 Oct 1910 in St Regis, Waverly, Franklin, New York less than a month after her daughter, Mary Ann (Guthrie) Johnson. Her obituary was published in The Adirondack News on the 8th.