Guthrie Genealogy

GENETIC GENEALOGY of GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 2A

James Guthrie & Jane Carnes

GFG2A - BRANCH B - CLUSTER 1

James Guthrie

Son of William Guthrie & Elizabeth Barnett

Born: 21 March 1764

Location: Cumberland County, Pennsylvania

Married: Before 1785 in South Carolina

Died: Before 9 June 1827

Location: Kentucky, possibly Mercer County

Buried: Unknown, possibly Old Paint Lick Cemetery

Jane Carnes

Daughter of Alexander Carnes & Rebecca Gibson

Born: 20 Sep 1767

Location: Waxhaws, Lancaster, South Carolina

Sons: Wiliam B, Samuel, James G., Robert Wallace

Daughters: Elizabeth Carnes, Jane Carnes

Died: 10 Sep 1807

Location: Near Paint Lick, Garrard, Kentucky

Buried: Old Paint Lick Cemetery

THE HIGHLIGHTS:

1764: BIRTH of JAMES GUTHRIE
James was born on 21 March 1764 in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, the 4th child of William & Elizabeth (Barnett) Guthrie. His grandfather & uncle were also named James.

1767:  BIRTH of JANE CARNES
Jane Carnes was born to Alexander & Rebecca (Gibson) Carnes on 20 Sep 1767. 

SOURCE: LRG

"James Guthrie, fourth child and second son of William Guthrie, Sr., and Elizabeth his wife, was a soldier in the Revolutionary War. He served 1778 to 1781 as a private in Capt. William Herrod's Company with General George Rogers Clark in the west against the British. (Taken from D.A.R. Lineage Book, Vol 65, p.197, under Mrs. Lucy A. Guthrie Crecraft.)

He married Jane Carnes in South Carolina. They moved to Garrard County, Ky, Oct. 15, 1811; James Guthrie of Garrard County, KY for the sum of eight hundred dollars sells to Henry Banton, on hundred and fifteen acres on Paint Lick Creek. (Garrard County, KY Deeds Liber D, p115.) 

James Guthrie died in Garrard County near Paint Lick Church. 

Private in Capt. Wm Herrod's Company, Was with Gen George Rogers Clark i n the west against the British

SOURCE: SCMAR
SCMAR, Vol. I, Fall 1973, No. 4, p.206
Pages 216-218. James Guthrie and Jane his wife of Lancaster County, S. C ., planter, convey to Richard Wright of the county & state aforesaid, pla nter, for 80 pounds, 194 acres of land in the Waxhaw Settlement, adjoinin g Douglass's Land, and Robert Guthries Land, being part of a tract firs t granted to William Guthrie 4 May 1771, which said tract the above name d William Guthrie by his Will devised to his beloved son James Guthrie . 2 Oct. 1787.

SCMAR, Vol. I, Fall 1973, No. 4, p.206

Robt Guthrie

SCMAR, Vol. I, Fall 1973, No. 4, p.206

James Guthrie

SCMAR, Vol. I, Fall 1973, No. 4, p.206

Jane Guthrie

SCMAR, Vol. I, Fall 1973, No. 4, p.206

Sworn by Thomas Wells and Robert Guthrie 14 Apr. 1788 before John Craig , J. P.

SCMAR, Vol. IV, Winter 1976, No. 1, p.48

Robert Guthrie

1786: BIRTH of SON, WILLIAM BROWN GUTHRIE
William Brown Guthrie, born 12 Nov 1786. Married Mary 'Polly' Crawford in Garrard, KY. They emigrated to Indiana where he served in the War of 1812. 6 sons and 5 daughters. We do not currently have a descendant in the DNA Project. The following online book, Indiana and Indianans, includes a bio on William Brown Guthrie, but the author draws some conclusions about the family ancestry in addition to providing the info on WBG.

1787: DEEDS of LANCASTER COUNTY, SOUTH CAROLINA

This indenture made between James Guthrie in the County of Lancaster and State of South Carolina Planter of the one part and Richard Wright in the County and State aforesaid, Planter of the other part Witnesseth that the said James Guthrie for and in consideration of the sum of 80 pounds to him paid by said Ricahrd Wright the said James Guthrie hath granted, bargained and sold and confirmed unto the said Richard Wright and to his heirs and assigns forever 194 acres of land lying and being in the Waxhaw Settlement in the County aforesaid Beginning at a pine thence------thence along the dividing line between the said tract and Robert Guthrie's land to the begining pine containing one hudnred and ninety-four acres, it being a part of a tract of land at first granted to William Guthrie by the Honorable William Bull, Esq. bearing date 4th day of May AD 1771 which said piece or tract of land the above named William Guthrie by his last Will and Testament did give and devise to his beloved son James Guthrie and I, the said James Guthrie, am the true owner of the said 194 acres of land and the same to the said Richard Wright with all the houses, edifices, etc, as William Guthrie by his Deed Patent did or might enjoy the said Richard Wright paying the yearly reserved Quit rents or Taxes as the Law directs to have and to hold the said tract of land and all and singular the premises to the said Richard Wright, his heirs and assigns forever.

The said James Guthrie and Jane his wife have hereunto set their hands and seals the 2nd day of October 1787.
Signed & Delivered in presence of Thomas Wells, Robert Walker, Robert
Guthrie Signed: James Guthrie (seal) Jane Guthrie (seal).

Thomas Wells and Robert Guthrie personally appeared before me John Craig, Justice assigned to keep the Peace and being duly sworn and that they were both present and did see James Guthrie and Jane Guthrie, his wife, sign seal and deliver the within mentioned Deed unto Richard Wright, Jun., and that they did see Robt. Walker witness the same. Given under my hand this 14th day of April 1788. 

1793: BIRTH of SON, SAMUEL GUTHRIE
Samuel Guthrie, born 3 June 1793 married Betsy Hope. LRG lists her as a widow, Betsy (Hope) Harbison, but there appears to be some confusion there. The marriage record lists her as Betsy Hope and others designate her as the daughter of Richard Hope & Elizabeth Harbison. For some years after their marriage they lived near Perrysville, Boyle, KY. 5 sons & 1 daughter.  1 DNA Project Participant is a descendant of Samuel & Elizabeth: Richard Gray Guthrie. Before 1851 reportedly Samuel moved to Giles County, Tennessee where he died. There is also confusion about whether Samuel officially divorced Betsy and remarried. Online trees list his second wife as Adeline Cashion, but transcriptions of Giles County, TN Court records indicate that her husband Samuel was the son of Robert Guthrie & Mary Jane Norwood. A look at the court records indicates that Robert & Mary Jane's son went to Yazoo, MS where he apparently died and left a couple of orphaned children. The census records for the Samuel Guthrie living in Giles County listing his birthplace as KY and his parents coming from SC also suggest that he is actually the son of James & Jane rather than Robert & Mary Jane. Samuel Guthrie & Adeline Cashion were the parents to two children: Samuel W Guthrie & Elizabeth Jane Guthrie.

1794: BIRTH of SON, JAMES GUTHRIE
James Guthrie, born 1 Aug 1794 in Garrard, KY. Married Margaret 'Polly' Phillips on 7 April 1814 in Casey County, KY. They emigrated to Missouri and lived in Boone, Cole, and Buchanan Counties before finally settling in Nodaway County, Missouri. James died in Marysville, Nodaway, Missouri on 30 March 1873. By coincidence, a second branch of Guthries from the Md/PA Group, Branch D, also ended up in Nodaway, MO. 3 sons and 3 daughters. 1 DNA Project Participant is a descendant of James & Polly: Douglas Lee Dalton

c1794: BIRTH of SON, ROBERT WALLACE GUTHRIE
Robert Wallace Guthrie was born about 1794. No further info. We do not currently have a descendant in the DNA Project. 

1797: TAX RECORDS of GARRARD, KENTUCKY, USA
SOURCE: 1797-1802 Taxpayers of Garrard County Kentucky, by Harold J. Kurtz, 1990, US/CAN 976.9525 R48k, FHL  
p.4 Guthrie, James r2-115a  Paint Lick Garrard WM-1 Horses-2

1797: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, JANE CARNES GUTHRIE
Jane Carnes Guthrie married William Survant (1785-1873) and lived in Boyle County, KY. The surname is listed as Survance in the 1850 Boyle, KY census. Jane is listed there as age 48, making her estimated DOB about 1802. At the time she and William had 8 children. LRG indicates that William was killed during the Civil War about 1865, but online records list the date as 1873. Old Union Cemetery in Doctors Fork Community, Boyle, KY contains the grave of William Survant Died 7 March 1873 aged about 85 Years. Jane died 15 June 1874. No further info.  

1800: TAX RECORDS of GARRARD, KENTUCKY, USA
SOURCE: 1797-1802 Taxpayers of Garrard County Kentucky, by Harold J. Kurtz, 1990, US/CAN 976.9525 R48k, FHL
Tax Payers Upper District - Guthrey, James - 115a - Garrard - Paint Lick Creek - WM-1 - Horses-4 

1800: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, ELIZABETH CARNES GUTHRIE
Elizabeth Carnes Guthrie was born on 12 Sep 1800. She married James Christopher Miner on 10 Sep 1825 in Mercer, KY. She was his second wife. They had a large family of children and lived in Casey County, KY. Elizabeth died on 10 Feb 1885.  

1802:  TAX RECORDS of GARRARD, KENTUCKY, USA
SOURCE: 1797-1802 Taxpayers of Garrard County Kentucky, by Harold J. Kurtz, 1990, US/CAN 976.9525 R48k, FHL  
Tax Payers Upper District - Guthire, James - 115a - Garrard - Paint Lick Creek - WM-1 - Horses-4 

1806: LAWSUIT
SOURCE: Garrard County Kentucky Index to Circuit Court Chancery Suits 179901868, by Bill & 
Kathy Vockery, 1990, US/CAN 976.9525 P22v, FHL 
Plaintiff Index 
p.20  
Guthrie, James vs. Carns, Alex 
(1-3-29) Bk2-194, March 1806 

1807: LAWSUIT
Guthrie, James vs. Carns, Alex 
(3-10-103) Bk2* - 108, June 1807  

1807: DEATH of WIFE, JANE (CARNES) GUTHRIE
Family sources list Jane's death as 10 September 1807, but the following source lists the year as 1804. Which one is the typo?

SOURCE: Cemetery Records of Garrard County 1792-1996, US/CAN 976.9525 V39g, FHL 
Paint Lick Cemetery – Section 1 
Guthrie, Jane – 20 Sep 1767 – 10 Sep 1804  

1810: CENSUS of LANCASTER, GARRARD, KENTUCKY, USA
The Jas. Guthrie Household: 1M 45+, 1F 26-44, 1M 16-25, 1M 10-15, 2F <10 

1811? 
James Guthrie of Garrard County, KY for the sum of eight hundred dollars sells to Henry Banton, on hundred and fifteen acres on Paint Lick Creek. (Garrard County, KY Deeds Liber D, p115.)  

1813: WILL of ALEXANDER CARNES  
Will Book A Meck. Co., NC p. 221
will dated 25 Mar 1813
Prb. Feb 1815
Children
1. Son-in-law James Guthrie his Ch James, Robert, Samuel, Elizabeth, and Jane.
2.dau Agnes Dunlap w of William Dunlap and their child Mary.
3. Son-in-law David Parks h of Mary Carnes, (decd?)their daus. Parthena and Rebecca Gibson.
4. dau Rebecca Parks w of John Parks
5. dau Martha Davis w of Israel Davis
6. son Charles B. Carnes
7. son DAVID B. CARNES
8. Orphan dau Elizabeth Brown Williams who is given items that Alexander states, "amounts to more than her freedom." 

Old Waxhaw Presbyterian Churchyard at Lancaster, SC:
ALEXANDER CARNS b 1739 d 12-2-1814
REBECCA b 1744 d 12-3-1808 

1820

There are no Guthrie households in Garrard County for 1820. Jane had died about 1807, which explains why she was not listed in her father's 1813 will. James was reportedly dead by 1827. The 1825 marriage information for daughter Elizabeth shows that the family was located in Mercer County, KY by that time and there is one household listed in Mercer for 1820. Mercer is the neighboring county to the west of Garrard.

The James Guthrie Household:   1M&1F 45+, 1M&1F 16-26, 1M 0-10.

1825: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER, ELIZABETH in MERCER COUNTY, KENTUCKY
Mercer County, Kentucky, Marriage Bond Book 1825-1832, page 53: 

Know all men by these presents that we JAMES C. MINOR and Samuel Guthrie are held and firmly bound unto the commonwealth of Kentucky in the final sum of fifty pounds current money to the payment of which will & truly to be made unto said state we bind ourselves our heirs & jointly & severally firmly by these presents sealed with our seals & dated this 2nd day of September 1825. The condition of the above obligation is such that whereas there is a licence about to issue for a marriage intended to be solemnized between the above bound JAMES and ELIZABETH GUTHRIE -- Now if there be no lawful cause to obstruct said marriage then the above obligation to be void els to remain in full force & virtue. 

Signed: JAMES C. MINOR, Samuel Guthrie 

Teste: Philip T. Allen, C.C.                         

To the Clerk of Mercer County - as there is a purpos of marrage betwen JAMES C. MINOR and my dater ELIZABETH GUTHRIE. This my surtificet shall be your receite for issuing licence for the same as witnes my hand. Signed: James Guthrie. September the 1st 1825. 

Teste: Samuel Guthrie, James Campbell.  

Note: The Samuel Guthrie listed here is James' brother. 

1827: DEATH of JAMES GUTHRIE
James death occurred before June 9 1827. His wife Jane is buried in Old Paint Lick Cemetery, so presumably, James is buried there as well. Cemetery resources do list one James Guthrie for Old Paint Lick Cemetery, but the dates of birth and death are given as 1767-1801. Same man or transcription error? A request for photos at Find a Grave is in place. Keep in mind that James was definitely alive after 1801 as he was listed in his father-in-law's 1813 will.
 
SOURCE: Garrard County Cemetery Records Volume 1, US/CAN 976.9525 V39g v.1, FHL 
p.153 Guthrie, James – Date of Birth: 1767 – Date of Death: 1801 – Old Paint Lick Cemetery, Section 1 
 
James' wife Jane was definitely buried in Old Paint Lick. If the above James is a different person, then it suggests that he was likely buried somewhere in Mercer County Kentucky, which is where he had been living for 10 years or more.